It’s a sad moment for Bike Party when the reflections for two consecutive months must acknowledge an overwhelmingly negative response to the ride, but at the same time, we as a community have a few things to acknowledge ourselves. In this case, if we are to continue our vitality as a positive force, we must accept our responsibility both individually and collectively to the communities we roll through and to the ride itself.
As is evident from comments posted here and elsewhere, the majority of riders support Bike Party’s goals of community building and riding both safely and legally, but this voice is lacking in recent months on the ride itself. It’s one thing to post disdain for unsafe riding, or to to even suggest ways to clean up the smaller but highly visible “dark” elements of the ride. But without follow through on the ride itself, these sentiments don’t prove much.
As riders, as lovers of Bike Party, as individuals devoted to our community, we need to take more action during the actual ride. This is not to discount the brave efforts of volunteers and BIRDS along the route. August’s turnout of our beloved volunteers was much greater than both June and July combined, but it’s clearly not enough.
It’s held by most that dangerous behavior is perpetrated by a few, perhaps less than 10% of riders. Why, then, does this sliver of our mass dominate how the public – and even riders - views us? Shouldn’t the remaining 90% be enough to keep dangerous behavior to a minimum? If everyone who ever posted a thought or had an idea volunteered their efforts on a third Friday, the response to our venture will look a lot different.
This isn’t to say that there weren’t great moments along this ride. The most obvious was the downtown start, once again proving that central San Jose has embraced bicycles as a fun, practical means to get around and enjoy life. The size of the ride is also reflective of how things are growing and what potential change lies ahead in the South Bay. 4,000 riders gathered at City Hall to enjoy a performance by San Jose Taiko before embarking our 30 mile adventure. But where we shined we also faltered, struggling at times to share the road as well as getting massively off-track at multiple points. And as many are aware, dangerous riding this month lead to at least one serious injury, something I’m sure no Bike Partier would care to see repeated.
There’s a lot of work ahead of us. If everyone could find the time to lend a hand, we could take this thing further than the original 25 riders in Oct. 2007 ever imagined. As we approach our three year anniversary in two months, we need all the volunteers we can get. Attend a meeting, hook up with us on a test ride, and Get Involved!

















Jimmy
August 20, 2010
BIKE PARTY———–!
Okay, I have an experience to share. This was my last SJBP ride because I’m loving down to UCLA next month, and decided to make the best of it.
After the spectacular SJ Taiko performed, we were all getting geared up and my friend and I were all set to leave. Once it was time to go, a smile lit up my face and I was ANXIOUS to go. My wheels roll, but hey–what’s this? It’s kind of hard to pedal. I look down and a flat tire lazily displays itself back at my face. I didn’t even get to ride! So now what? I decide to walk my bike to Santa Clara station for a disappointing ride home but as I was crossing 3rd street, I noticed it was a bit hectic. People were absolutely NOT stopping at red lights, cars were boxed in and so with my Bird whistle, I stepped in the street and used my bike as a “gate” to halt red light runners. I eventually ended up directing traffic, which I didn’t mind because it was fun. Fortunately, I saw another Bird who happened to join me and I asked her if she had a tube repair kit, and to my joy, she does! She and I directed Santa Clara & 3rd for a bit until she actually took her own time, energy and strength to take out my tire and attempted to patch it up. This tedious task took about an HOUR so we were late but I want to say *****THANK YOU LISA.******* You are a true lifesaver and your generosity and kindness helped turn my night around.
So now I’m an hour behind but I managed to catch up to the gang on 1st street, zooming by. I noticed a police car ahead near the 880 interchange, so they must be getting an escort or something. Oh wait, it’s stopped. “Oh man, is it an accident?” I thought to myself. But to my relief (and disappointment at the same time) it was just another biker pulled over by a CHP officer. I don’t know why he was pulled over in the first place but he might be facing resisting arrest charges because that’s all I was able to hear.
Speed up. I take the shortcut and blast straight on 1st St., despite everyone turning right at a certain point. I catch up as the route intersects Rio Robles and also end up directing traffic there. Fun although I received rude dissing from red light runners telling to eff off, but the many “Thank you”s I’ve received were overwhelmingly plenty. In all, it was a nice and lovely crowd.
I head up the Tasman light rail and go home (since there’s no way in hell I’m going to Sunnyvale and ending the ride at 2 AM), but decide to stop by at Tapioca Express in Milpitas. My whole ordeal/experience was over, and I’m here resting in a quiet cafe on a Friday night. Nope, not yet. My phone rings, and my friend who’s leading a huge group of riders is lost. I hop on one of the cafe’s computers and now I feel like a dispatch, telling directions here and there to get everyone back to the main route. Apparently, there were all the way at AMC Theaters. Yikes! He eventually gets them all on Tasman and there ends my night.
Thank you San Jose Bike Party for the wonderful 2 years of goodness! And Scott (Route Scouter), I didn’t see you. Grr.
Billy the Kid
August 21, 2010
The guy nabbed by CHP was Douchebag Mike. I believe they got him for running a red light. Read more about Douchebag Mike in my reflection below.
And again: Thank You, CHP! Good job!
Stan TheMan
August 23, 2010
Jimmy: Carry a spare tube and forget trying to patch a leak in the dark.
Ian
August 21, 2010
Thanks Jimmy You made my night with that post.
It’s folks like you who step up and help that make bikeparty great.
brettman
August 21, 2010
Was a great ride… until my chain broke at Fair Oaks and highway 101. THANK YOU BRITTON for helping me out with my chain. From there I just rode home, which was difficult since the significantly shorter chain (I lost 17 links somehow) kept on wanting to up and down shift. Oh well, next month!!!
scott
August 21, 2010
3 great comments to read!
looking forward to reading more about not just BIRDs helping, but anyone from the RADs and especially ARCs – acts of random kindness – and hope that all of the drum beating of bike party rules and best practices/lessons learned from florida helped make the ride better this month.
bummed that i missed sj taiko tonite as i’m out of town jimmy! sj taiko energized the crowd last year under hwy 87 & 280. it seemed sj city hall would have been tailor made for them this year. looking forward to the videos!
thanks for all you’ve been doing jimmy, best of luck at ucla and hope you can join midnight ridazz in la.
and thanks to all the volunteers, we always welcome more to join the party.
note – RAD is from “pizzafortires” comment on another thread:
R.A.D (Riders Against Douche)
Richard Masoner
August 21, 2010
My wife and daughter joined the bike party ride for the first time ever; hurray!
For those who missed it, here’s video of the San Jose Taiko drummers at City Hall this evening.
Tyler
August 21, 2010
Great ride, im hella burnt out. Ill say something more later, lol
Peter Myers
August 21, 2010
There were some major lapses of basic common sense among riders, and this time people were hurt as a result. There were two incidences that I know of in which bikes and cars collided. I have no idea in either case who was to blame, but one thing’s certain: the bikes lost both times. The group mentality can give a false sense of security, but your life is at stake every time you ride a bike. We need to do something to drill this into cyclists’ heads.
CC
August 21, 2010
missed out, flat tire on the way to the meet point
ed
August 21, 2010
Having missed the last 2 rides, I was looking forward to this one, meeting up late at regroup 2/Home Depot. It’s always fun to be surrounded by thousands of other bicyclists of all shapes and sizes. While most of the riders, like usual, were having a good time while respecting the sensible rules the BP promotes, I felt there was more stupidity last night. Were there more crashes than usual? It sure seemed that way. So many red light runners, bikers pulling up on the left of left-turning cars (and shouting indignantly when the car tries to turn), people weaving in and out of the crowd, and the person lying motionless in the Lawrence Expressway with emergency folks (whether or not connected to the bike part) was disturbing. So, the balance of negative and positive seemed a little shifted in last night’s ride. Either I’ll be showing up to fewer of these, or I’ll sign up as a bird to help reign in the nitwits, though I’m probably too old to have much sway with the youngsters!
Spliffer
August 21, 2010
P. Myers you are right about the collisions.
I witnessed the collision on Lawrence Expwy and it was not pretty.
The individual was attempting to run a red light through an expressway that was relatively heavy with traffic.
I had two friends riding with on their first Bike Party experience and, we were shouting… SHOUTING at a small group of cyclist to stop, however; they were bent on ignoring us.
His friends made it but the victim smacked right into a moving vehicle. He was laid out in bad shape with his friends and onlookers attended to him.
I will not even attempt to make a judgment call at this time.
It is just so sad and disruptive to the victim, the motorist, and — extremely disturbing — to all of us who had to witness the incident.
***This was one bad incident to, what I consider, one of my better Bike Parties ever. The energy was at an all time high, and people really responded — for the most part — to Bird instructions — even some of our usual difficult and fringe elements.***
Well, that is just my perspective.
I am sure there will be other opinion on that accident… it was so…soo … sad
Billy the Kid
August 21, 2010
I hope witnesses will give their contact info to the police, if they haven’t already given it to police and to those involved in the accident.
Annoyed Citizen
August 21, 2010
Please do NOT ride down 3rd street again. It is a 2-lane street – not the 4-6 lane one you claim to favor. Your riders are rude, loud and do NOT follow traffic rules or stop at stop lights. Cars were backed up for 2 blocks at a stop sign – causing gridlock. PLEASE CEASE AND DESIST!
(mod/tr: reposted from “For Drivers” section of sjbp website – original post at 2010/08/20 at 9:17 pm)
Chillbro
August 21, 2010
The curmudgeons have got the internet now!
Anon
August 21, 2010
I agree. It was not a good idea to go down small streets. it should have gone down large streets. Overall I had a good ride with no major incidents of our own.
Tyler D
August 21, 2010
This was my first bike party…..wow that was a lot of people.. i was with big pack all the way to some where around the grateamerica area then i was with my friens and a few others. Once i got to homedepot the pack got kinda thin. but i think we left to soon. my friends and i were plenty rested and we have some food even. So we presed on and when we got to the mervins lot… there was only a hand full of people. so we figured we would call it and finnish the ride sooner than later. we did the hole ride all the way back to city hall. called some friend and they said the party at homedepot was still going on. lol o well …i had a good time and my wife made it i am so proud of her… and i need to get a light. i zip tied a light to the bars and it did nothing for me…cant waite till next month. thanks to all the birds
b5125125
August 21, 2010
So on a positive note…Like to give madd props to Lalo (the bike fairy) who helped out my cousin when she got a busted tube and to the people who offered help too. Oh and to the dude that ran me over next time how bout you stay home and smoke your bud. Also like to know when is the next Ladies Ride?..this one was too long for me and my cousin’s hematoma
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Andrew R
August 21, 2010
I have ridden in several BPs, this one just didn’t work for me. There were a couple of intersections where nobody knew which way to go. Things never seemed to gel last night, maybe it was my mood? To be honest I miss the rides that started in Campbell. I think we need start points that can better handle the number riders, it shouldn’t take an hour to go the first four miles. Also, we seem to be stuck in a rut as far as the part of town we ride in. I suggest we look at south San Jose, I.E., Santa Teresa, Colman Ave, and Snell. Also last summer’s Almaden Valley ride was great.
Call me crazy, but ultimately my dream is a SJBP field trip to Santa Cruz.
I hope I don’t appear to be all negative, I love SJBP!! Hats off to all the volunteers. I think the birds are some very brave people, thank you for your service.
kat
August 21, 2010
Eff yeah! I second that Santa Cruz idea!
Valentine Ramirez
August 21, 2010
so, im effing burnt. i went to a liquor store when we were in santa clara, and this chick made my night, she said hey cutie to me, but my faded ass just say hey a rode off. IF U WERE THERE AND KNOW HER….. HOOK IT UP!!!! lol.
im that guy with the sj sharks fixie btw
eileen
August 21, 2010
we live in the North Park complex. Your bike party came through past 9:30 pm and it lasted for a long time. I don’t mind the lights, I don’t mind the clogging of the roads. What I minded was the blasting music and the yelling and screaming and shouting and honking…. while I had a 2 year old and a newborn baby that both needed sleep during this time. You could have planned your route to go on Tasman or Zankar and Tasman… but you chose to go THROUGH our residential complex, going through Descanso and Alicante, which are 100% residential neighborhoods???
Or, you could have had noise for about 5 minutes (leaders of the pack) when entering our streets, and then had the rest of the riders not make noise (honk, scream, yell, blare music) until they were out of the residential neighborhood, but instead we had to endure screaming and yelling and blaring music until the ENTIRE group left our residential complex.
At 9:30pm – 10pm…. this is NOT party time for a family of toddlers and newborns trying to go to sleep. You couldn’t have been more disrespectful of your neighbors, and certainly didn’t instill good faith, or good will. Please have some maturity next time.
[mod/tr: reposted from FAQ, originally posted @ 2010/08/20 at 9:39 pm]
Billy the Kid
August 21, 2010
Wait. This comment, complaining that it lasted “a long time” was posted 9 minutes after it started?
ak
August 21, 2010
excellent observation.
2168451
August 21, 2010
I agree with you guy’s, but it was still a bad idea to go down that street when there was a bigger street right before that one.
eileen
August 21, 2010
I run my house clock 15 minutes faster than my computer clock time. Irregardless, your ride lasted AT LEAST 30 minutes through our residential neighborhood and it was seriously past 9 pm… and could have easily been routed to avoid North Park residential apartment complex. You could have gone done Zankar or North 1st or any one of the major streets instead of running through our residential apartment streets.
You had a 1000 witnesses screaming through our streets last night. You will know when you hit North Park it was DEFINITELY past 9pm and it definitely lasted 30 minutes or LONGER to get through our streets.
So don’t sit there and quibble about the time I posted my comment… when the POINT is WHY THE H*** did you run through North Park instead of going AROUND us????
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
Eileen, we’re sorry for the noise and disruption. I’m new to BPSJ but I know the idea behind it is to help foster a sense of community in the bike world and also bring more attention to cycling in general and as a father of two (one of whom is a newborn) I can completely empathize with you.
The only thing I ask you to consider is that it’s a once a month happening that does cause a disruption, not only in the residential areas, but all over SJ, and even though it can be very loud and seem to drag on forever, the ride’s organizers really do try hard to make sure it’s as painless as possible.
We all want it to be fun and draw positive attention to cycling but, as in any large gathering, there are always bad apples and there are always things that can be improved. I’ll take note of your complaint and bring it with me to the next meeting, and hopefully we can work something out that’s amenable to everyone.
Bike Party Rider
August 22, 2010
I’m sorry we ruined your 2 year-old’s and newborn’s life. The bike party is a once a month event that will probably not go through your area of San Jose in a long while. My point is that it’s a small one time disruption on a weekend of people just having a good time. You should come out!
Ian
August 22, 2010
With an attitude like that you are not winning us support. The Sarcasm just doesn’t come across well. I think we all agree that it would have been better if people didn’t do a unscheduled regroup at northpark. I know as i rode through yelling that this is not the regroup i got cursed out a couple times. This is not how bike party rolls nor should it be. we need to always try to minimize impact which is one of the reasons we rotate our routes as much as we do so as to not wear out our welcome.
eileen
August 21, 2010
We had to endure your bike party cutting through our residential complex at 9:30 pm- 10pm, with bikers using their bull horns, and megaphones for 30 minutes. This bike party could have easily been planned to go AROUND our residential North Park complex, but instead the bike party route was intentionally planned with it CUTTING THROUGH a 100% residential complex of 6 rental apartments or so.
If the sole purpose of the bull horn and the mega phones is the make noise and be obnoxious in large numbers past 9pm in a residential complex, then I see no reason why anyone should kindly donate noise making machines to a group of people who can not organize a route properly, or intentionally plan an obnoxious, loud, rude event late at night that goes intentionally through residential streets.
Your obnoxious party did not instill any good will towards anything. It just highlighted how poorly planned the route was, or absolutely rude the planners are.
[mod/tr: reposted from "wish lists and donations", originally posted 2010/08/20 at 9:50 pm]
jc
August 21, 2010
you say to try to avoid residential neighborhoods but you just rode inside the north park apartments causing a whole bunch of traffic. you guys could have easily rode around zanker then tasman but you instead went inside the neighborhood and taking up all the lanes and not letting any cars in.
I was just trying to get home after a long day and at first the ride seemed cool but after your riders do not follow the laws and became very ignorant and rude it became very irritating and disturbing to everyone living in the apartment complex. please do not go inside this complex again ride around it and have more organization.
[mod/tr: reposted from "for drivers", originally posted at 2010/08/20 at 9:54 pm]
3rd Street Betty
August 21, 2010
Don’t listen to “annoyed citizen”!!! I live on Third Street! My family LOVED seeing you all roll by! My four year old was screaming “BIKE PARTY!” to the cyclists as they passed, and got such a kick when they responded. I told my husband that we HAVE to go in September.
My family and I loved seeing everyone ride by our house. Especially the guy with the bag pipes! That was amazing! Hopefully we will be joining you in September! We have a trailer for the munchkin, and she really wants to join the BIKE PAR-TAY!!! Woo Hoo!!!!
[mod/tr: reposted from "for drivers", originally posted at 2010/08/20 at 10:43 pm]
Sam
August 21, 2010
How many people have been killed due to your lawlessness?
I’m all for you guys having fun but as far as bringing together community, you pissed more people off tonight more then anything by riding through residential areas. You guys sounded like a bunch of thugs in packs for over 2 hours.
As I write this a moron is yelling “Hello, Wake Up, It’s Bike Party”…
[mod/tr: reposted from "FAQ", originally posted at 2010/08/20 at 11:18 pm]
itisMarco
August 21, 2010
lol that’s awesome. lighten up: IT’S A F*****N FRIDAY NIGHT AND IT’S THE ENDING OF SUMMER.
Elise
August 21, 2010
This guy is the SAMMALLORY who is the first comment on the NBC news article. Read his comment.
It honestly makes me sick in my stomach on how much hate he has built up inside. Obviously bike party is not the only thing wrong in his life that he has the mentality to use wording that he formed into such a hateful posting!
Ben Hogan
August 21, 2010
This ride came through my neighborhood this evening. Many riders blew threw a stop sign and traveled against traffic. I reported it; you idiots need to stay off the road if you can’t follow basic traffic rules.
[mod/tr: reposted from "How We Ride", originally posted at 2010/08/20 at 11:28 pm]
Rebecca
August 21, 2010
As I write this, the bike party is taking place on the street a few houses away. I’m pleased that people are riding bikes, even at this hour. I wish I could be even more enthusiastic about this creative way to throw a celebration and keep it moving. What is unpleasant to me — and probably more so to families with children — is the sound level (music, shouting) making its way into the otherwise peaceful night. Is there any way to either cut down on the sound (especially the loudest music and the profanity) — or at least give the folks along the route a “heads up” that the party will be in their neighborhoods?
I truly hope that I’m one of very few people losing sleep tonight. My husband was awake for about 10 minutes and then managed to get back to sleep, so I’m sure there are others who have been relatively undisturbed. But, I’m glad that our houseguest who had just had spinal surgery left a few days ago!
Certainly, the fun of one group of people shouldn’t be quashed because another group is merely inconvenienced for a few minutes. But, the party shouldn’t take place at the expense of others for over 45 minutes. So, please brainstorm some other ideas for how to make the next bike party better than ever — for all involved.
Thanks for considering what might be done to make the bike party a little quieter and a lot more agreeable for everyone. Admittedly, hundreds of people cycling through the streets is, somehow, inspiring. With some tweaks, you just might win over some of us sleepy folks.
Here’s to a safe ride and a sound sleep for all.
~Rebecca
[mod/tr: reposted from "Ride Announcement", originally posted at 2010/08/21 at 12:10 am]
MV
August 21, 2010
Great post and thoughts, I will definitely bring your comments up at the next test ride… Thanks for being considerate…
me
August 21, 2010
Where’s the Like Button?
Tim
August 21, 2010
You’re going to need to do a lot of shaming, Novara. I had to ‘share’ the road with this ride tonight on Fair Oaks in Sunnyvale.
There were tons of riders weaving in and out of the lefthand lane, which according to the rules posted here should never be done, and even one jackass who thought it was a great idea to swerve out in front of me, slow almost to a stop, do a 180, and ride directly towards me for a few seconds.
It wasn’t fun trying to drive next to the ride at all. And when the ride and I went over the 101 overpass, it proved impossible to get from the left hand lane to the right to take the 101 onramp I needed to get to.
[mod/tr: reposted from "How We Ride", originally posted at 2010/08/21 at 12:58 am]
Jane
August 21, 2010
This happened to us. A guy on a bike swerved toward us on First Street. Then he proceeded to throw down his bike and threaten my husband. He was ready to get into a fist fight with my two children looking on. He looked very drunk or wasted.
Trying to drive up First Street was impossible. The bikes were blocking both lanes even taking up the left turning lanes. On numerous occasions we observed bicyclists driving through red lights and blocking traffic.
We also saw a lot of people smoking pot and carrying open containers of alcohol.
This is a great idea but it’s those few idiots that will ruin it for everyone else. Someone really needs to take the responsibilty to keep these riders in line.
SR20DET Datsun 510
August 21, 2010
Hey, this ride looked CRAZY!! Lots of people having a great time.
I followed the route from Tasman and Lawrence all the way to San Jose!
I was the guy in the Blue 1973 Datsun 510. Thanks for all of the props people!
It got pretty crazy in a few spots and there were HELLA more than 100 people!!! Had to been at minimum 1000 riders! That’s allot of sprockets!!
Some riders were hella stupid cutting cars off and running red lights. I hope they don’t shut you down for those few scofflaws out tonight.
Anyways, what a f’n cool event!!!
PS. I hope the rider hit by the car on Lawrence and Reed is ok. God Bless all who were injured tonight!!
[mod/tr: reposted from "How We Ride", originally posted at 2010/08/21 at 1:29 am]
Ron
August 21, 2010
Watched for a while as riders went down Reed Ave in Sunnyvale Some stopped at the red lights and some didn’t. Went back in and heard sirens about 10 min later.
I think someone was hit at the Lawrence and Reed/Monroe intersection. If so I hope the rider was not hurt badly.
[mod/tr: reposted from "How We Ride", originally posted at 2010/08/21 at 1:31 am]
Community Activitist
August 21, 2010
I think the volunteer team should be really proud of the job they did. I counted 20 people managing (what looked like) 3,000 – that is an incredible feat when you think of what comparable events . Red light stopping has greatly improved (I also reminded the kids to stop which seemed to really help). Only a few individuals drinking. With a few more volunteers I believe we can handle the remaining aggressive individuals.
The best part was seeing people from every social group. Cities live & die based on their ability to integrate disparate communities. When I was at intersection (to help direct the group) a gentlemen came up to me and asked about the ride. He was from southern California and had never seen such a diverse event in his city.
Thanks for making San Jose one of the most integrated communities in the world!
Rockin Ed
August 21, 2010
This was a large ride last night. I had fun but am really concerned about the people running red lights. What are you thinking? You put your life at risk each time you do this. You will not win a fight with a 3000 LB vehicle! I was yelling “Stay to the right and live through the night” all night, but most people still ignored me. What will it take to make these riders wake up?
I am so sorry to hear about the rider that was hit at Lawrence and Monroe. I hope they will be OK! This accident could have been easily avoided. Please wake up people, it NOT cool to run thought the red lights! Use your brain and live another day!
scott
August 21, 2010
So after a quick stop for a beverage on Lafayette, I find myself with a flat front tire. I’ve got a patch kit but no pump, and at least three people kindly share their pumps with me — one guy making all his friends wait while I use it. So my patch doesn’t hold and the pumps are gone and bike party has passed, and I’m looking at a 10-mile walk home when my new friends Kenny, Billy, Vlad and company tell me no man gets left behind — and insist I hop on somebody’s handlebars. All because I shared one of my tube patches with them.
I’m skeptical, but I hop on, balancing on the front of somebody’s bike, middle school-style, trying to ride straight and catch up with bike party. We don’t catch up, but long story short, we do make it the 10 miles back to downtown San Jose, trading off on handlebar sitting, other people (mostly my saintly friend Zach) carrying my bike, we crack jokes, laugh a lot, and try not to die.
Big thanks to the crazy kids I met last night who insisted that Bike Party is about helping each other out and rode a total stranger on their handlebars for 10 miles. My ass sure hurts today, but you all made my night.
Long live Bike Party!
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
Absolutely saucy story! haha
Scott
August 21, 2010
I live along Evelyn in Sunnyvale and was surprised to hear many hundreds of bike riders last night. It was cool with me, but anyone with a baby would not be to happy I guess.
I hope that you guys are co-ordinating with policy/ city officials. If so, I’m all for it, but I think better management and control is still needed. If not, I think it is an absolute requirement as they can help you plan a safer event (or tell you it’s not safe and shut you down).
Anyway, good luck!
Litter
August 21, 2010
I live in North Park as well, and the noise didn’t really bother me, but it obviously bothered quite a few others. My problem is the loads of litter that was left in the park and on the street the following day. There were many beer cans, energy drink cans, and wrappers strewn all across the park. A worker was forced to pick up your mess for hours this morning. At least if you are going to have rules try to adhere to them.
itisMarco
August 21, 2010
i agree. the litter problem. yes. but not the noise.
Nor Cal Ride for Life
August 21, 2010
First of all, that worker gets paid to pick that crap up. Second it happened once. Third, it’s a Friday night, once a month. Get over it.
Jon
August 21, 2010
It’s called littering, and this city is NOT your dumping ground.
SJBP should be sent the bill for clean-up. You guys also left a mess when you stopped at West Valley College on a previous ride.
Money which could have gone to education was used to clean up YOUR MESS!
Party and have fun, I don’t have any problem with that, but be responsible enough to leave a place clean.
MV
August 21, 2010
Your attitude is exactly what SJ Bike Party does not want, if this lack of respect that you are showing is how you ride and act at the bike parties, then do all of us, that ride with respect, a favor and stay home. You are not welcomed at our party…
Alicia
August 21, 2010
Honey, this is the kind of attitude that makes people hate us. A little bit of personal responsibility and respect for the areas we’re going through will go a long way.
I’m not saying we can’t have a good time, but there’s absolutely no excuse for leaving your trash behind. You obviously had some sort of device to carry your drink with you, so use that same thing to pack out your empties.
[mod/tr: yay alicia!]
Jon
August 21, 2010
My apologies to the organizers of Bike Party. My comment (above) was not directed at you, it was directed at “Nor Cal”.
You, “Nor Cal Ride for Life”, should be sent the bill for clean-up + the fine for littering.
People like you give SJBP a bad name. There are forces out there trying to shut down SJBP, and you are giving them more fuel to succeed.
You are the one who needs to grow up, and take an interest in our community. Leaving a mess for others to clean up (even if they are getting paid for it), is counter active to Community Relations.
Bring a backpack, and take your trash with you. I do it on every ride, and it hasn’t killed me.
I want you, and everyone else, to have a good time, but we need to respect the communities we are riding through. Leaving a mess in their parks/streets/parking lots is just rude.
[mod/tr: amen]
testrides
August 21, 2010
@norcal – you are 100% wrong. we should pick up all trash. the rides should be cleaner after you come. people with your attitude should not represent bike party imho.
velvetgrapes
August 22, 2010
I agree with everyone else’s comment to you. If that’s your attitude, SJBP does not want you.
Christie
August 21, 2010
I am yet another resident who was very disturbed by the noise your group created last night. You were riding past my home from 10-11PM and making so much noise, we could not concentrate on anything else. We did enjoy watching the parade go by and loved the lights, but the noise was out of control and very inconsiderate.
There are many families with young children in our neighborhood and while they would have loved seeing the parade in the evening, my kids were long asleep when you rode past blaring music, honking horns, blowing whistles, and screaming.
Also, we were watching the intersection of Lafayette and Agnew, and we saw at least 100 different bikers cut in front of cars and block the road so that cars could not turn. We were shocked that no one was hit by the way your riders were riding.
I realize that this is a very large group having clean fun, but even if only 5% of your riders are rude and/or dangerous, it ruins your name for the rest of you.
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Nor Cal Ride for Life
August 21, 2010
Dude, seriously? It happens once a month. Grow up;p
testrides
August 21, 2010
norcal – once again, you’re making us look bad. maybe you shouldn’t ride on bike party with that attitude!
MV
August 21, 2010
Christie your comments are welcomed and appreciated, do not mind the comment from Nor Cal their attitude is what SJ Bike Party works hard to try and squash… He does not speak for the awesome community of SJ Bike Party…
mama g
August 21, 2010
I have been riding Bike Party for a year now and absolutely LOVE it. I have encouraged my kids (over 30 yrs.) to join me and they to are hooked. It is a family event for us.
Last night I didn’t feel safe with all the crazy riders weaving in and out of bikes and riding on the wrong side of the road (these riders usually didn’t have lights either).
The majority of us obey the rules, but the ones who don’t have given Bike Party a bad name in the community. I used to be proud to be part of this group ride, but now I have to reconsider if I want to be associated with it. This saddens me as I love to ride and riding with friends and family I have the BEST time of my life.
I hope people will sober up and straighten up so Bike Party can continue to do what it was created for…..making San Jose aware that bikes and cars can share the road when we all obey the rules. Maybe next month we can ask bikers to turn off music at 10pm (or at least turn it low so only the people next to them can hear it)so we don’t waken the sleeping community we ride through?
I’d like to see the ride end earlier too. It seems that 2 regroups is plenty….everyone is tired and ready to head home by the 3rd regroup and even pass it by for this reason. Let’s try to do 2 regroups and keep them short….after all, we are here to ride not sit around for an hour in a parking lot getting cold.
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lindsay
August 21, 2010
I had fun last night as usual, but I felt the route choice was a little…odd. I don’t know how I felt about going through that rather nice residential apartment complex, especially with a bike party of this size. I know that you guys can’t be accountable for the actions of every bike party member, but last night was just crazy.
People were shooting off fireworks right in the middle of this neighborhood, and I saw so much trash left behind on that big grassy park area. And of course there was loud music and rowdy bike riders as is expected with each bike party, but I just think maybe we should have avoided such a quiet neighborhood.
I truly felt bad for the people who lived there, and if anything I think that it just gave the bike party a bad name (as do all those unfortunate riders who break the bike party rules like running red lights and riding drunk off their asses).
I absolutely love the bike party and I think it’s great fun, I just wonder if maybe it’s getting too out of hand and if we should stay on busier streets so as not to cause TOO much disruption. I think some riders are starting to think that the POINT of the bike party is to be obnoxious rather than to have fun and encourage bicycling!
-Lindsay W.
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Rapid Robert
August 21, 2010
Last night’s ride was a great time for me and I want to give a big THANK YOU to Ian for taking the lead on it, and the many new Birds and volunteers who made their presence known throughout the evening. SJTaiko at city hall was excellent, and I really liked seeing that space fill up as they played. I think it was the Bumpin’ Beaners who got the group moving finally, and we moved slowly as we essentially took over Japantown on the way north.
Confusion occurred in the first leg. First, there were TWO right turns off Plumeria onto Zanker and the TxTs didn’t say the SECOND was the one. Many took the first one and went nearly all the way back into downtown before realizing it (2 extra miles).
Secondly, a food vendor unfortunately set up on the lawn in the Northpoint complex causing a false regroup to form there. Bad move. Plugged the route terribly throughout the complex. I got there somewhat early when there was maybe 50 there and immediately checked out the map with Tanner, who had a bullhorn. We saw tried getting the very quickly forming mass to move on, but it was impossible by then. Then a skyrocket went off so I figured what the hell and went to the real one on the other side of 1st. There, I found my way to a parking lot on the right instead of the proper one on the left, so the instructions to leave it were confusing as well! Oh well, still found the route.
The continuing problem of red light runners and salmon plagued us again, and this time seemed bigger to me. There was more booing and admonitions from many more Birds (thank you, thank you!!!), but it was only partially effective with the smirking peckerhead party poopers, and it appears that one of them isn’t smirking this morning. What’s their problem? You can’t escape statistics. I’ve seen many, many close calls between red light runners and cars at speed where the cyclist was just plain lucky despite their obvious stupidity. Running any red light is buying a ticket to the hospital. It’s NOT the same as jumping a green after stopping. Anyway, I hope the dope recovers, and joins our voices against it.
The rest of the ride was uneventful and a very nice cruise. Mervyn’s lot is huge and easily accommodated us. The ride down El Camino Real was fast and easy all the way to the Newhall Neighborhood where I live, and so I bailed there.
Thanks again to al the new volunteers and Birds who make this all happen as smooth as it does!!!
Billy the Kid
August 21, 2010
Highlight of the ride for me: During the first leg, when I and another BIRD were directing people to get out of the left lane, one guy named Mike explained to us, “Fuc# you.” A minute later at an intersection, we asked riders to wait behind the cars so the cars could get though. Mike ignored us, selfishly jamming traffic and hurting Bike Party’s relations with the community. A few minutes later, we passed Mike; he was sitting by the side of the road, handcuffed by a CHP officer. Bike Party riders cheered the cop.
This beautiful moment symbolized a major reason, I think, this ride was better than the last two: the cops we encountered acted wisely. Most Bike Party riders understand responsibility and respect, but some douchebags don’t, and the cops last night were speaking a language those douchebags could understand and were helping the rest of us enjoy Bike Party as it was meant to be. Whether it was CHP or the Sunnyvale cops chasing riders out of the left lane.
This is a sharp contrast to last month when the SJPD stupidly waited until the end of the night and then used collective punishment. That accomplished nothing good. It just gave the most responsible riders the most reason to feel resentful.
This ride was not perfect, of course. After the second regroup, we had one hell of a clusterfuc# as thousands went the wrong way, got lost, and then took guesses about which way to go. Those who had turned left at Evalyn lost their confidence and U-turned, only to face those who had turned right, then U-turned. Many of us wound up missing downtown Sunnyvale. But we managed to find our way to the next regroup anyway.
I’m sorry a rider was hit by a car, but if he delibarately ran a red light despite BIRD warnings, I won’t feel too bad for him. Maybe we can make him our poster child for responsible riding.
All in all, last night had a positive energy and more compliance with How We Ride than in the last two rides, it seemed to me. It’s too bad we couldn’t have that contest for best lights. But overall, this was a good ride.
Doc Hawk
August 21, 2010
Had a fabulous time as usual on the Bike Party, and hope everyone else did. Thank you to everyone who helped make it great.
As usual, the few people riding in it who can’t seem to follow the guidelines (nor the vehicle code) are threatening the existence of the Bike Party by giving credence to people who oppose and hope to abolish it, as well as turn off the nicer participants. Please help by laying some heavy peer pressure on the jerks!
Also, I think the route plan was not such a good idea to follow the narrow streets through the condos. Otherwise, I’m looking forward to next month.
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Nat
August 21, 2010
I loved the big crowds and the big energy that such a crowd produces. I’m also happy that Douchebag Mike was arrested. Did anyone get a picture of him in handcuffs?
I want to thank whomever is putting the neighbor’s comments into this comment feed. It’s too bad we had a false regroup in the middle of a residential area, and it’s nice to hear from the residents on why that’s a bad idea. Bike Party does learn a lot after each ride, so I’m confident we’ll get this right in the future. Having a forum like this comment thread is valuable in improving SJBP, so thanks!
[mod/tr: thanks for your comments and for all of your BIRDing Nat! the vendors for sjbp should ONLY go where we tell them - in specific locations in the regroup. never should have been there. the litter, noise, redlight running, not riding legally are all issues too]
itisMarco
August 21, 2010
awesome
Spliffer
August 21, 2010
Isn’t this forum great!
It is truly democratic where everybody of every stripe gets to throw in their two cents — be it positive, negative, etc,… etc…
To all those folks, who reside along last night’s route and were troubled by our loud and celebratory presence, you might never see us for a long time, and perhaps never again.
The route changes every month and your life can now return to it’s normal and expected routine. There are only 12 Bike Parties every year, that is, one per month.
As that great philosophical post from last month aptly stated: “It’s just one freakin’ night a month”. And the positive effects on the South Bay community is absolutely priceless!
Please look beyond the noise, loud music and minor nuisance element to see that SJ Bike Party accomplishes what all your $500K overpriced politicos and civic leaders can’t and will never achieve.
Bike Party brings all diverse elements of the South Bay community, and beyond, together in relative peace and harmony, where great friendships are forged among folks having a lifelong love of bicycles.
Bike Party’s only weakness is: that it’s growth and popularity is growing geometrically, while it’s volunteers are only growing numerically.
Folks, if you want to feel appreciated, join the Bike Party volunteers and you will be instantly elevated to “prized human capital”.
Heck, we just lost Jimmy — from post #1 above — to UCLA.
We will mourn his departure until we get suitable replacements.
Bike Party forever!
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Jessica
August 21, 2010
This ride was definately the most awkward ride I’ve been on to date… maybe it was just me and/or where i was riding but it was sooooo QUIET! hardly any music all night! where were you guys. and no one was yelling bike party, people didnt talk much to eachother…. i told some girl this is like the death ride.
I also witnessed the accident on lawrence and althought the biker is a F**king IDIOT, I would never wish harm on anyone and for me… that pretty much killed the mood even more for the rest of the night! IF ANYONE HAS AN UPDATE ON THIS GUY PLEASE POST. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THE DUDE IS ALIVE STILL? I mean… the car had to have been going about 50mph. sooo disturbing!
I hope that next bike party has more energy and less stupidity… can we learn from this one…. PLEASE. Unless you have a death wish… follow the rules!
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Jimmy
August 21, 2010
Here’s the article I posted a bit earlier regarding the accident. I find it so sad that people don’t understand dangerous actions can lead to serious consequences. Instead, they brush off the risk and head full steam on through the intersection. Now that I think about it, Douchbag Mike was probably lucky to be arrested than to be hit by a car.
Jimmy
August 21, 2010
Oops! Forgot the link: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Cyclist-Hit-Seriously-Hurt-During-San-Jose-Bike-Party-101222399.html#
Melinda
August 21, 2010
The bike party was riding through the street i live on. it was pretty cool watching the bikers pass through. i don’t have a bike but this only makes me want to get one
. i seen all ages, the music people were playing was cool.
At least this party only happens once a month, i don’t think the Bike party should be such a big deal. the accident that happen on Lawrence and reed was crazy. i think everyone should just stay cautious and be careful of whats round them, someone can easily get hurt. well I’m planning on going next month
I’ll see ya there!!.
meowzz
August 21, 2010
This was my second bike party and I L-O-V-E-D IT! (for the most part).
I loved that the meeting place was at city hall, nice and easy to find, but the thought of holding up traffic in downtown truly broke my heart. It took FOREVER to get out of downtown and it was really annoying. Some people were weaving in and out of the traffic and I get so terrified of getting hit or caught up in one of their crazy stunts.
I loved how chill the rides were and at one point, I believe it was before the second regroup, my friend and I started to just bust out singing and we had a few people join us! That was a super awesome surprise. (: Shout out to the girls who sang “I Want it That Way” with us and the guy who started singing “Where’d you go?” with us! That truly made my night!
At the residential area with the park and what not. I found some very rude riders. I believe a bird was announcing that this was NOT the regroup, but some f-ers decided to shout “F-YOU” and refuse to get moving. It was so discouraging. Good job to the Bird (I believe) who was doing his best to clear out the area!
Some unfortunate events last night, but it’s quite alright. My friend’s gear broke off..and he somehow lost a piece of it. Lolz, but the good thing was that the could finish the route with us. My other friend got hit by the music truck and wiped out! ): That was so unfortunate. I saw more than 2 crashes I believe, and well, that’s a heck of a lot more than what I saw last week. And the saddest part about BP this month was the biker who got hit by a car ): I didn’t witness the accident itself, but biking past it sure brought the spirit of BP down. Everyone was just so quiet afterward.
I loved the jousting! I got to witness it for the first time ever! Man all those wipeouts were insane! And one of my buddies decided to try it out! Ahah the boy could NOT get enough. He wanted more! Too bad the regroup ended right then ): but it was really exciting to actually KNOW someone who was doing the jousting! Absolutely awesome.
I absolutely adore the guy who was shouting “RED LIGHT! STOP!” to the bikers. I can’t remember what part of the route it was at, but that surely made me smile! Thank you! I can’t remember if I said it, or if you heard me! But that was very kind of you! <3
My favorite part of the ride?! Well that was when we rode through Murphy…something! That downtown-ish area by Standford I believe. It was super amazing! The noise was so loud and all the people who were there enjoying their friday night busted out their iPhones and joined in on the shouting. It was just so great!
Despite the many crashes, the car accident, and what not. I had a great time! I hope that I can continue to join you guys next month! (: tehe.
Out of control
August 21, 2010
Bike party is out of control.
itisMarco
August 21, 2010
I had NEVER seen so many people eat concrete.
I ate concrete twice.
The 1st time, yea, it was my own stupidity not seeing a speed bump, causing me to flip completely forward, bike on top of me (I was fine)….. the 2nd time was RIDICULOUS. Some riders are so naive! Tell me why a rider just perpendicularly crossed in front of riders to pick up a glow stick WITHOUT looking at the oncoming riders. Of course, I fell victim and crashed into his dumb a** causing my seat to rape my rear in agony. It hurt! And as a gay man, that says a lot!
Aside from my falls, I witnessed at least 13 other falls. LUCKILY, riders continue to aid the fallen. It’s beautiful, actually. I had two 11 or 10 year olds come up to me after one fall and ask if I wanted them to fix my chain. You know something’s working when kids go help a fallen. So rad.
Maybe it’s me, but I think think this ride should have been a Gay Pride Ride. It was the kick off of San Jose Gay Pride and I feel it would create and extend a tolerant community within our events. Even a Rainbow Ride, something…. think about these things, guys, something like this could strengthen tolerance and bring out the open minded riders.
August ride: the return of f****n beer. I hate alcohol at these events. I really do. it ruins everything. From liter to drunks to attitudes. We need to think of something to do about this problem.
Themes are getting weak, guys. We did lights last year. Notice fewer people participated. You can do better than that…
Fun ride. Off vibe. Decent route. STANDING OVATION for finally making the ride come FULL CIRCLE instead of different start and end locations.
Jimmy
August 21, 2010
@meowzz: That was probably me. /blushes
For those wondering about the condition of the cyclist, I found an article on NBC hereAnd I appreciate the ‘thank you’s from all of you! It certainly warms our heart to be noticed helping out!
Bart
August 21, 2010
There was an collision at Reed & Lawrence too ? I saw one at Evelyn & Fair Oaks that drew the response of paramedics, fire, and police. There was a someone laying on the ground being attended to by the medics. Two serious collisions with cars ? Say it ain’t so ! I’m really sorry to hear that people got seriously hurt.
Yes the red light running is a really big problem and made worse by guys who sprint from 50 yards back to blast through the intersection with little chance to bail out if opposing traffic takes their green. Thanks to everyone who tried to discourage the red light running.
I noticed that building a “wall” of cyclists at the stop line was really effective in convincing people to wait for the light. It blocks the lanes and only the “salmon” will go past (not sure how to stop that insane behavior). Even just two or three cyclists stopped at the line sends the message that running the light isn’t necessary and a bad idea.
People seem to not want to be “left behind” but the group moves so slow that it is easy to catch up once you get a legal green because the road is wide open. I did notice one stoplight that was a problem, it stayed green for about 5 seconds. Most of the cyclists waiting at the stop were just mounting their bikes when it turned yellow. I can see how riders would be tempted to run that light.
The comedian Gallagher has the idea that you can reign in traffic misbehavior by equipping all drivers with suction cup arrows that they can shoot at any car seen doing something dangerous. Then as he says “when a cop sees a car driving with ten of these stuck to it, he pulls them over and gives them a ticket for being an asshole.” Maybe there’s something like that that can be used to put a halt to this antisocial and dangerous behavior
. Stickers ?
Though there were a few buffoons, the crowd was overwhelmingly cool and courteous. Thanks to everyone who made this ride great – you know who you are. And there were some excellent lights on bikes, fantastic theme !
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Robert
August 21, 2010
Last night was my first SJBP experience. I made sure to have lights, and dropped roughly 70$ making sure both my bike and my friend’s bike were lit well enough, including rear and front headlights. The utter lack of consideration on the part of a lot of SJBP-goers to even buy a simple headlight and tail-light is disconcerting; I saw about three separate events where people ate concrete going fairly fast because one didn’t see the other. One of those involved two people who were both drinking beer though, so I guess I can blame the alcohol for that one.
During the first mile, I saw a biker stop, pick up something that looked like a wallet, and then catch up to the person who had dropped it. This made me smile.
Another time, I had stopped to help someone who was on the side, thinking they needed a patch – instead, they needed a wrench. Inside of ten seconds, someone with an adjustable wrench had stopped to help.
On three other occasions, I stopped to help people who responded when I asked if they needed a patch, and inside of a few seconds someone else had stopped with a pump.
In general, barring traffic violations, the number of responsible people in SJBP are in the correct ratio to handle the milder issues that arise. I really appreciate everything that the BIRDs do, and while I won’t be volunteering to be one, I’ll be helping them out at every opportunity. You guys do good work.
Some things, like a route through a very upscale residential neighborhood, probably should have been rethought (though I can’t claim to doing anything but following like a sheep for the most part).
Other things, like traffic violations resulting in traffic jams/accidents, really can’t be stopped immediately, but still require public shaming (and public effort, if all of the front riders stop for a red, the back riders will all have to stop anyways).
- Robert
P.S. Just a thought; but just a few front riders could really do a lot of good at red lights if some turn perpendicular to the street and just block the bike traffic. It’d take a lot of cooperation, but it would help incredibly.
testrides
August 21, 2010
yes – get others around you to help do this. come to test rides and discuss this.
Rapid Robert
August 21, 2010
I’m one who does occasionally try and cork the intersection against red light runners, and can say it’s a dangerous thing to do. It’s very effective, but if you’re going to do it, please stop normally and look back first before moving into position. That way, you’ll see the idiot that would’ve hit you going 15mph and make HIM swerve to avoid you. Hopefully making him think about his stupidity. But corking certainly does stop a lot of it.
I also want to give a shout out to the Sunnyvale and Santa Clara police. Sunnyvale especially for cruising the route there. That’s pretty much the only thing that stops the salmon.
SweatStudio
August 21, 2010
MY SUGGESTIONS!
My first Bike Party and it was a blast BUT horrible to see two people get badly injured. This event last evening was out of control. I sponsor many fitness events such as marathons and competitions and the Bike Party needs better management or most likely the cities WILL shut us down.
My suggestions:
1. THIS WEBSITE
The webmaster should force people to read primary rules before they can access the new route map. Of course people will always break rules whether they read them or not but this will improve awareness.
2. BIRD PATROL
Assign a special exclusive helmet light or lighted flag, a whistle, walkie talkie and loud speaker for every BP volunteer. Each volunteer needs to be segmented 1/2 mile apart and ride on the left side to assure riders are staying right.
3. ROUTES
The routes are too complex and should avoid residential areas.
I hope people read this post.
Thanks,
JD
testrides
August 21, 2010
what are YOU willing to do about it?
what can you get others to follow your lead?
the routes team does not think these are too complex.
people need to familiarize themselves with the route imho.
come to the test rides, become BIRDs.
testrides
August 21, 2010
it needs to be peer based… thanks for the well thought out ideas, but we need people and/or money to execute these ideas. if you or anyone else can bring more of both then please do!
SweatStudio
August 22, 2010
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll give the SJ Bike Party props for keeping the movement going. I might be interested in participating in the next meeting. I own my own personal training facility, so if there is some kind of sponsorship trade-off that will benefit my company then I am willing to help by put in my 2-cents maybe 3.
+ I can probably find more Birds for the next event.
+ Sponsors for equipment
+ I have a web development/design team.
If you want to discuss this further, shoot me an email.
Jacob
August 22, 2010
Birds don’t seem to open to new riders or maybe they didnt talk to us on the test ride because we were riding fixed (no breaks)
*mod* there are plenty of fixie birds out there.(tanner comes to mind) try asking about becoming a bird at the testride
someone has to start the conversation…
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drew
August 22, 2010
This last ride was indeed too complex. There were many unnecessary turns toward the beginning of the ride. It certainly didn’t help that the text directions ON THE WEBSITE told us to make a RIGHT on ZANKER when we were supposed to make a LEFT. Granted, my friend and I were pretty much in the lead at that point and we wound up taking a 5-mile detour. Not that this really bothered us much on road bikes, but the route was just zig-zagging back and forth rather than, say, going in a straight line.
[mod/tr: ALL of the map & turn by turn directions were CORRECT. only thing that might have been added would be (go past montague expy)first!]
Ian
August 22, 2010
yeah we missed the fact that plumeria / river oaks crosses zanker twice (no one caught this till about an hour before the ride
Obviously we need more help
though in defense of the turn by turn it did say plumeria turned into river oaks before you turn right on zanker which at the first crossing it hadn’t yet changed..
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
Hi,
This is David who generated the Alt Turn By Turn that Ian was nice enough to post on the web site. After using it this month I realized some ways to make it better. Next month I am going to include two columns with each turn-by-turn, the cumulative mileage as well as the individual segment mileage. That way, as we ride on each segment we will be able to know how far along we are and how far before our next turn. Also, I will try to get more addresses for each of the intersections, that way, if you get lost, you can easily enter the next address you want to aim for into your GPS and get there easily.
We’ll get there, if each of us figures out what each of us can do to make BP better, we’ll get there!
ASDF
August 23, 2010
You keep asking people what they’re going to do, do this, say that, etc. It’s always everyone else’s job.
You know what that says about you, testrides/SJBP?
That *YOU* don’t want to take responsibility for this event you’ve created. You keep asking people to do the work of securing the event rides for you, that you can’t be bothered to do it. You also do it behind the guise of trying to get people to be “positive” and “have fun”. That is, you want all of the fun but none of the responsibility.
If it has gotten to big and unwieldy perhaps SJBP does not need to exist in its current form.
If you organize it, you have to take responsibility for it. YOU are going to have to keep people in line or find ways to get rid of them. YOU are going to have to enforce rules and not ask people to do it for you. YOU. Not someone else. Start charging for these events or ask for donations to hire more people or start holding the rides away from populated areas.
YOU — not someone else in a “peer” system — have to do something.
[mod/tr: an email has been sent directly to you to discuss this; perhaps you should join some test rides and be educated before making these assertions and find out what "testrides" and many others have done to date]
SJQuakesFan
August 23, 2010
You’re under the guise that this was organized by one person. Swing and a miss.
MV
August 23, 2010
SJBP/Testrides is not one person… If YOU (ASDF) would actually attend a meeting or “test ride” you would know that… You do not know what you do know not know… Its the thousands of people that ride at SJBP… Its a community… Typical response from a person that only expects and never does…
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
@ ASDF, what? this comment doesn’t make any sense…
Bike Party isn’t one, and everyone who takes part SHOULD take responsibility, I think asking people what “they are going to do” is completely valid. “I” enjoyed my first ride with Bike Party, “I” want to continue to enjoy Bike Party… “I” can see that help is needed. So, “I” along with others… attempt to contribute.
This is not asking to much.
ASDF
August 24, 2010
@MV, @Perl: What you are saying is not reality. You can’t expect the amorphous mass of people, some of whome are drunk, to follow the SJBP rules. It doesn’t matter if 90% of you do, it’s the remaining 10% that you are refusing to take responsbility for.
Even in the small communities, there are people there to enforce rules. Whether it is a Rainbow Gathering (Peace Keepers) or Burning Man (Black Rock Rangers) there are people who’s sole purpose is security/law enforcement and making sure that people follow the rules and dealing with them accordingly.
I would not be nearly as upset at SJBP’s wanton disregard for their fellow citizens in SJ if they would do something about security and organize properly instead of hiding behind the word “community”.
Ian
August 24, 2010
@asdf Interesting idea. how are you planning to implement it? (or is that someone else’s job?)
Also we aren’t out in the middle of the desert like burning man. we already have a police force called SJPD who are trained and paid to enforce the law.
it almost sounds like you want us to have vigilante justice. is that really what you are suggesting?
scott
August 24, 2010
if you returned emails “adsf,” we could have a real dialogue about what we’ve tried to do and have you work with us… (and explain the similarities/differences to those you mentioned) … often it’s about how things are said, but as it is it’s just a couple of pious “hit and runs” on us here on the talk thread unfortunately.
moo
August 25, 2010
Please, let’s cool it with the personal attacks and accusations.
If SJBP riders and volunteers didn’t care about what was going on, this discussion wouldn’t be happening. It would be a forum of complaints with no ideas being suggested or no calls for help.
I’ve never been to Burning Man myself, and I’ll admit to never having heard of a Rainbow Gathering before. From what I can tell (please correct me if I’m wrong), there are some similarities in that “security” volunteers for those events also do not have any authority to enforce laws or arrest violators. They can only encourage compliance. It would be interesting to know if they have any techniques that would be helpful to SJBP, or if they have encountered the same type of problems with people that are just out there to cause trouble.
Unlike Burning Man, SJBP doesn’t have exclusive use to an area that they can exclude people from. From my brief reading, it seems that Rainbow Gatherings are more like SJBP in that they use public property. I wonder if they have the same kinds of issues with people that don’t follow the rules “crashing” the event, and how they handle these kinds of issues.
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Good points @moo.
I wonder if there would be a way to categorize what people post here.
I guess I’m thinking something like a ‘best of Craigslist’ type user-automated thing (so the BP hub doesn’t have to hassle with managing it) where, when people suggest something, it comes in to the hopper.
If they are willing to step up and take ownership, it goes into one group.
If it is an idea with no owner it goes into another group.
If someone reads an un-owned idea and says, ‘I hadn’t thought of that, I could take ownership of that’, they could then ‘own’ that idea and manage it’s
implementation.
If someone reads an idea and says, ‘I could help with that’, they could then sign up to help with it, even if it doesn’t have an owner yet.
Each group could have subfolders in it so the ideas could be further logically divided. Much like Craigslist
has organization so it is easy for posters to post by location and type of item.
The good thing is that each of us that post that have actually registered on the SJBikeParty.org can ALREADY contact each other to get these things going.
All you have to do is register. You aren’t exposing your email address, you are just providing a way to be able to communicate between others that are registered.
Ian
August 25, 2010
sounds like a unowned idea
it could be a great idea but it’s not that easy to implement and we would really need someone to step up and own it.
Unless you know of a wordpress plugin that does this….
[mod: "mingle" here on wordpress - johnm?]
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
For example, a common suggestion that people mention is cleaning up trash at regroups.
Lots of people say they will bring bags, but what happens? If someone REALLY feels passionate about the litter problem, they could ‘own’ that and volunteer to help organize and encourage the others that also want to help If someone wants to help but doesn’t know how to start or how to organize it, they could sign up accordingly. An idea doesn’t need an owner before people sign up to help. maybe someone sees something, thinks, ‘no way, too hard’, but when they see that 10 people have already signed up to help they think, ‘oh, with that many people already helping, I could organize that then.’
Something like this doesn’t have to get organized at a meeting. This could get organized online and the people that follow thru and show up make it happen. In this example, maybe the person who owns it has five people who have previously agreed online to stay after at the
second regroup with garbage bags and clean up, but they don’t know what to do with the full bags. Then maybe the task owner could ask the hub people what to do and the hub people might say, you need to try to find someone that can drive their truck there to come pick it up.
so an ‘un-owned’ idea/need/suggestion gets posted in the ‘un-owned’ section that someone needs a truck at the second regroup at 10pm to collect the trash bags that others have collected.
So maybe someone reads that and says, ‘I know someone who supports BP, isn’t interested in riding, but can drive the truck…’
and the task gets it’s pieces filled.
Of course, as I read that I see LOTS of ways that can fail, definitely. But, you have to admit, by having an ‘owner’ of the task develop a plan, post the need, and
each person doing their own little part, It is CERTAINLY better than leaving a neighborhood park trashed like we did this last month.
Lets say we can get all the pieces in place EXCEPT the truck to haul the bags away. I think the neighbors would better appreciate waking up to a clean field but with a pile of garbage bags placed in the corner, instead of waking up and seeing a field full of evenly distributed
garbage that the gardener that THEY are paying for then has to clean up.
Or, let’s say that gets organized but the owner gets a flat and misses the regroup. If the owner already scoped the place out using google street view and said
we are going to meet at this precise place as the crowd starts to thin out, then all the helpers meet together, that encourages them and they see they aren’t doing it all by themselves, and they get the job done.
Ian
August 25, 2010
i bet the food vendors would haul the trash for us if we picked it up in bags. I know BBQ kalbi was late to the second regroup because they were picking trash up…
These are great ideas but we really need help owning them
moo
August 25, 2010
Rider 44 -
There are already people that go around picking up trash at the regroups. There have been several times I’ve stayed at the regroup late, picked up a trash bag, and started collecting trash. The most important thing I discovered when I did that is that I wasn’t the only one. There were already many people doing the same thing. I think several of the vendors also help out, and some of them haul both trash and recycling bins.
Of course, more volunteers always make the job easier.
The neighborhood park was probably an issue because it wasn’t an expected regroup stop, so the usual group of volunteers wasn’t there to pick up trash. Worse yet, those volunteers were already further along on the route picking up trash, so they wouldn’t have seen the park aftermath
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Good point Ian (about the unowned idea).
Admittedly, I don’t know how to set up the web site with that structure.
Fortunately, with a little smarts, people can already get this done as it is today.
If people are passionate about litter clean up, they can search for a post in the ride announcement link with ‘litter clean up’ in it and all the interested parties could communicate with the person that posted that comment.
Or
If people are passionate about posting signs on the route…. You get my idea.
@Moo, thanks for pointing that out (about the people already cleaning up). I wasn’t aware of that. The comments last month about the church parking lot and the school lot, and the comment this month about the Home Depot manager made it sound, to me, like it wasn’t typically happening. My bad, thanks for the clarification.
And thanks for helping clean up.
[mod: are you a BIRD yet? if so how long? if not we want you! join us!]
Ian
August 25, 2010
I’m pretty sure sports basement stayed and picked up the home depot lot;
they were really awesome in how they supported us last month.
perlasum
August 25, 2010
This may be a dumb question, but’ How come some of you have highlighted names? I signed up and I’m logged in but no highlight. Also how exactly are we able to contact each other, if I follow the “name link” I can see a profile but no message system only info or request for friend…
perlasum
August 25, 2010
crap, now it works… never mind what about the contact info?
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
mod, I just sent an email to Ian regarding the BIRD question you asked me.
MV
August 25, 2010
ASDF have you ever been to Burning Man? I have, many times… Yes, they have the Rangers, whom “volunteer” their time, much like Birds do, they are “making sure that people follow the rules” at least to their capacity. Also Burning Man has a 10 million dollar budget a year! They lease the land that they are on and surround the entire area with a fence that is patrolled by Birds, I mean Rangers… Burning Man has Nevada State Sheriffs that are paid by Burning Man to provide law enforcement presence… You cannot compare the two… You don’t know what you don’t know…
drew
August 22, 2010
Oh yeah, forgot to mention: it didn’t help us either that one of the Birds was with us when we got lost; ergo, keep it simple.
To those idiots blasting through the red lights, you guys are missing out on the party. Although it sucks to get caught by the light, it seems that everyone who does stop at the light is having way more fun anyhow.
Ian
August 22, 2010
birds are only volunteers too. the only difference between them and you is that they have tried to step up at least a little bit.
Tyler Davis
August 23, 2010
Just had an idea come to me… i was away form the pack for a short while and i got a little turned around…no big deal… but what if you were to put SJ BIKE PARTY this way signs just taped to a stop sign… yes they can be riped down or tamperd with… but it could be a good tool and cheap… not every corner but when i left homedepot that map was no help and i found people here and there looking at there maps trying to understand them… the other thing i was thinking was use google maps and just post the link…. then people can zoom in and make there own mistakes. Just an idea.
as far as money. i think you should have a tent with a bird at the start with a jar so we can donate. and make it easy to find this person. I wanted to donate a few bucks. and i plan on it for every time. but i dont feel to good about giving a randome person money. and you have to hunt down a bird …not cool you want money make it easy set up a tabel and a big jar with a big sign “DONATIONS”. when you get a little money then get the stuff you need. i will donate and i know others will . I dont care about the tax stuff.
if you want i will donate a big jar and i will try to watch craigslist for a free folding tabel.. i am telling you this will help. And you will get a few hunderd a ride. People spend money on glow sticks and crap like that they can give a buck. or posably think about selling “SWAG” bike party shirts… flags.. glow sticks.
All i am saying is if you want money you have to ask for it and i know half the people there wont even look at the web sight. so for get about on line donations. they would be few and far apart.
i am planing to go to the next preride to bring this up to some of the birds.
[mod/tr: good ideas, signs have been tried, it's a need for volunteers to do this. different maps - yes, please volunteer.... as for asking for donations, most people feel uncomfortable doing it. once again, some trusted people would be good here. a paypal account might help. but these aren't the key problems here. the key issue is how do we "retake" bike party from the far too many that don't ride legally. people not taking personal responsibility to know the route is annoying but is not dangerous]
scott
August 24, 2010
great if you can get a few people to work with you on this… could make a big difference tyler! (the signs have been tried before, perhaps you can do it differently?)
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Definitely. Go Tyler! Some great ideas.
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
One thing Tyler, when you are taping up signs, be careful to NOT tape them up over other signs. Cops don’t like it when people cover up their signs. I’m pretty sure it is a ticketable offense and also it just gives someone in authority the excuse to take it down.
When I put up flyers I typically use light poles and clear packing tape and that works very well. I approach each intersection, stop, look around, see which light poles have good visibility from the approach direction, and tape my signs to those light poles. If you use the closest one on the route exiting the intersection that usually does the trick. Also, when you are designing your flyer, I would encourage you to keep it SIMPLE and just use an 8 1/2 * 11 piece of paper (you can get a ream of colored paper at Staples for surprisingly cheap, I normally use a light, bright color like goldenrod so it stands out from any other flyers others may have put up (since most people use white)). Keep your message SIMPLE. Using light poles, consider mounting your sign vertically. The top half could have HUGE letters B P (where each character is like 3 1/2″ * 5″) and the bottom half could have a OBVIOUS arrow. What I’ve done in the past is, create a black piece of paper by running the xerox machine with the lid open, cut the black paper into an obvious directional triangle that will fit into the lower 8 1/2 * 5 1/2 piece of the sign in any orientation. Then I look at the route and run off enough copies with the arrow pointing left, enough with the arrow pointing right, and enough with the arrow pointing straight.
You can do this Tyler! Making the sign is easy (Like I said, keep it simple, it’s not an art contest), following the route and putting one or more signs up at each intersection is not rocket science (I always use clear packing tape so as not to cover up the sign.), and during the ride you will probably hear lots of people praise the work you did before the ride.
Great idea Tyler, go for it!
t.l.s.
August 21, 2010
i can sympathize with the people of north park. i did not think this part of the route was appropriate. on the whole, though, it was a very enjoyable ride. the distance of the route was just about right. i’ve been a bike commuter for over 30 years, and it seems like many riders at bp have little or no cycling smarts. thank you birds for doing a great job.
Ian
August 22, 2010
if it hadn’t turned into a unscheduled regroup we wouldn’t have trashed the park… we were never meant to stop there
Jacob
August 22, 2010
agree. some of the roads had more pot holes then flat ground and on the bird ride the guys we make some bad calls