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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4887</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 07:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe then a helmet isn&#039;t enough.  You know that jacket that James Bond had that one time that inflated into a ball around him to protect him from an avalanche?  Maybe we need jackets that do that, like an airbag all around us in case of an accident.  One thing I know is that there will always be accidents.  I agree that its smart to try to reduce them by getting people more used to sharing the road properly with cyclists, but that won&#039;t stop all accidents.  Passenger protection is so advanced in automobiles, and the only technology we have is helmets?  We need a bigger piece of that pie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe then a helmet isn&#8217;t enough.  You know that jacket that James Bond had that one time that inflated into a ball around him to protect him from an avalanche?  Maybe we need jackets that do that, like an airbag all around us in case of an accident.  One thing I know is that there will always be accidents.  I agree that its smart to try to reduce them by getting people more used to sharing the road properly with cyclists, but that won&#8217;t stop all accidents.  Passenger protection is so advanced in automobiles, and the only technology we have is helmets?  We need a bigger piece of that pie.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Netherlands is the safest country in the world for bicyclists, yet less than 1% of the Dutch wear helmets.  For comparison, for every cycling death in the Netherlands, there are 5.8 in the U.S.  Why?  The U.S. has less than 1% bicycle mode share nationally, while the Dutch have 27%.  More bikes = safer conditions.  Studies comparing Northern Europe cycling trends to the U.S. suggest that our over emphasis on safety (wear bright yellow lycra and stay as far to the right in the gutter as possible or you&#039;re going to die!) turns people off of riding.  We should be focusing on getting more people on the road, not less.

Source:  John Pucher and Ralph Buehler.  “Cycling for Everyone:  Lessons from Europe.”  Transportation Research Record #2974, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Netherlands is the safest country in the world for bicyclists, yet less than 1% of the Dutch wear helmets.  For comparison, for every cycling death in the Netherlands, there are 5.8 in the U.S.  Why?  The U.S. has less than 1% bicycle mode share nationally, while the Dutch have 27%.  More bikes = safer conditions.  Studies comparing Northern Europe cycling trends to the U.S. suggest that our over emphasis on safety (wear bright yellow lycra and stay as far to the right in the gutter as possible or you&#8217;re going to die!) turns people off of riding.  We should be focusing on getting more people on the road, not less.</p>
<p>Source:  John Pucher and Ralph Buehler.  “Cycling for Everyone:  Lessons from Europe.”  Transportation Research Record #2974, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4856</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not get trapped by car-centered debates here.  This isn&#039;t a referendum on helmet laws - that is what a lot of car drivers want us to worry about, because it neatly shifts the blame for car crashes to the cyclist.  

Helmet laws are a false dichotomy:  every cyclist I know agrees that helmets make us safer and that we should all wear them whenever possible.  I wear one daily, most riders I know do too.  It&#039;s a non-issue.  Safety statistics agree, too, but only mildly:  quite simply, helmets might protect 1 head in 1 crash, but they do not overall make cycling dramatically safer.  The only thing that does that is &lt;strong&gt;putting more cyclists on the road,&lt;/strong&gt; most likely because all road users become used to seeing bikes and understand how to behave reasonably.  We can see this in any bike-heavy city (Copenhagen, Amsterdam, even Quebec or Portland) where thousands of cyclists use the safely-designed streets daily without incident but many ignore helmets.  In fact, a helmet law might hurt our goal of getting more cyclists on the road if it is enforced selectively, SJPD-style.  Giving the cops something new to harass cyclists about may encourage more people to skip the two wheels and drive their SUV.  

Overall, we need to be cautious to avoid getting sucked into someone else&#039;s debate.  This is politics, after all, and we can see how badly this has happened with the overall country in the past few years, where the most absurd arguments have gotten the most airtime and thus shifted the debate toward their agenda.  We need to be shifting the debate toward OUR agenda:  make city life more enjoyable and human by getting more cyclists on the streets and making the streets safer and more inviting for ALL non-car users.  In other words, build community through cycling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not get trapped by car-centered debates here.  This isn&#8217;t a referendum on helmet laws &#8211; that is what a lot of car drivers want us to worry about, because it neatly shifts the blame for car crashes to the cyclist.  </p>
<p>Helmet laws are a false dichotomy:  every cyclist I know agrees that helmets make us safer and that we should all wear them whenever possible.  I wear one daily, most riders I know do too.  It&#8217;s a non-issue.  Safety statistics agree, too, but only mildly:  quite simply, helmets might protect 1 head in 1 crash, but they do not overall make cycling dramatically safer.  The only thing that does that is <strong>putting more cyclists on the road,</strong> most likely because all road users become used to seeing bikes and understand how to behave reasonably.  We can see this in any bike-heavy city (Copenhagen, Amsterdam, even Quebec or Portland) where thousands of cyclists use the safely-designed streets daily without incident but many ignore helmets.  In fact, a helmet law might hurt our goal of getting more cyclists on the road if it is enforced selectively, SJPD-style.  Giving the cops something new to harass cyclists about may encourage more people to skip the two wheels and drive their SUV.  </p>
<p>Overall, we need to be cautious to avoid getting sucked into someone else&#8217;s debate.  This is politics, after all, and we can see how badly this has happened with the overall country in the past few years, where the most absurd arguments have gotten the most airtime and thus shifted the debate toward their agenda.  We need to be shifting the debate toward OUR agenda:  make city life more enjoyable and human by getting more cyclists on the streets and making the streets safer and more inviting for ALL non-car users.  In other words, build community through cycling.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4851</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be the naysayer here, but I can&#039;t agree with all the talk against requiring helmets.  Cars are required to have safety systems to protect the occupants in the event of an accident.  That&#039;s any accident.  It includes accidents with other cars, accidents with bikes, even accidents with trees or just the plain old road.  I don&#039;t see why bicycles are exempt from this.  A cyclist can crash, badly, on their own with no help just like a car can.  In the rare case where that happens, all the hundreds of thousands of times the helmet didn&#039;t do anything for you are made up for in that one moment where it saves your life, or your quality of life.  

To be honest I think even the helmets that cyclists do wear are pretty worthless, since you need both the bottom and the top half of your head to stay alive.  I ride with nothing less than my MTB fullface even during bike party.  No it&#039;s not too hot, no it&#039;s not heavy, and I ride a 20 inch with one speed and I pedal like a madman most of the time.  Even if the helmet doesn&#039;t save me, it can make the difference between dusting myself off and continuing, or going to see the medic or to the hospital.  

While I agree with many of the points above about sharing the road and about cyclists rights, you should not have the right to go without a helmet.  Car drivers don&#039;t have to weak one because they have a seatbelt and airbags and a roll cage.  Motorcyclists have to wear helmets and cyclists should most definately have to as well.  If you want equal rights on the road, then step up and take equal safety measures.  No one balks at being required to have lights, how can you guys in good conscience say that we should be exempt from a safety rule that all other occupants of the road must adhere to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be the naysayer here, but I can&#8217;t agree with all the talk against requiring helmets.  Cars are required to have safety systems to protect the occupants in the event of an accident.  That&#8217;s any accident.  It includes accidents with other cars, accidents with bikes, even accidents with trees or just the plain old road.  I don&#8217;t see why bicycles are exempt from this.  A cyclist can crash, badly, on their own with no help just like a car can.  In the rare case where that happens, all the hundreds of thousands of times the helmet didn&#8217;t do anything for you are made up for in that one moment where it saves your life, or your quality of life.  </p>
<p>To be honest I think even the helmets that cyclists do wear are pretty worthless, since you need both the bottom and the top half of your head to stay alive.  I ride with nothing less than my MTB fullface even during bike party.  No it&#8217;s not too hot, no it&#8217;s not heavy, and I ride a 20 inch with one speed and I pedal like a madman most of the time.  Even if the helmet doesn&#8217;t save me, it can make the difference between dusting myself off and continuing, or going to see the medic or to the hospital.  </p>
<p>While I agree with many of the points above about sharing the road and about cyclists rights, you should not have the right to go without a helmet.  Car drivers don&#8217;t have to weak one because they have a seatbelt and airbags and a roll cage.  Motorcyclists have to wear helmets and cyclists should most definately have to as well.  If you want equal rights on the road, then step up and take equal safety measures.  No one balks at being required to have lights, how can you guys in good conscience say that we should be exempt from a safety rule that all other occupants of the road must adhere to?</p>
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		<title>By: Streak-o-lite</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4796</link>
		<dc:creator>Streak-o-lite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Reply titled &quot;Time for a Mr Bike Show&quot;

And we want our own column too. Your thoughts on restricting bicycles only continues to create a devise notion that &quot;cars own the road&quot;. Thankfully California and Federal legislators don&#039;t have the same idea as Mr Road Show or the letters he chooses to endorse.

http://www.completestreets.org/webdocs/media/cs-ca-pressrelease.pdf

Shame on you. I drive, motorcycle and bike. You must never have had a knee brush with a two ton vehicle under the control of a self righteous car drivers who values their possible &quot;inconvenience&quot; greater than cooperating with all road users safe travel.

What&#039;s your next idea. Eliminating crossing guards because they increase pedestrian use of public roads and slow vehicle traffic? Eliminate crosswalks because people get hit and killed in them? Stop Caltrain due to fatalities? Close undivided highways due to head on accidents?

For many, age and economics drive the style of conveyance.  Not all citizen&#039;s can afford the luxury of &quot;car&quot; travel and resort to any means possible to get from point A to B without being assaulted by inconsiderate drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Reply titled &#8220;Time for a Mr Bike Show&#8221;</p>
<p>And we want our own column too. Your thoughts on restricting bicycles only continues to create a devise notion that &#8220;cars own the road&#8221;. Thankfully California and Federal legislators don&#8217;t have the same idea as Mr Road Show or the letters he chooses to endorse.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.completestreets.org/webdocs/media/cs-ca-pressrelease.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.completestreets.org/webdocs/media/cs-ca-pressrelease.pdf</a></p>
<p>Shame on you. I drive, motorcycle and bike. You must never have had a knee brush with a two ton vehicle under the control of a self righteous car drivers who values their possible &#8220;inconvenience&#8221; greater than cooperating with all road users safe travel.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your next idea. Eliminating crossing guards because they increase pedestrian use of public roads and slow vehicle traffic? Eliminate crosswalks because people get hit and killed in them? Stop Caltrain due to fatalities? Close undivided highways due to head on accidents?</p>
<p>For many, age and economics drive the style of conveyance.  Not all citizen&#8217;s can afford the luxury of &#8220;car&#8221; travel and resort to any means possible to get from point A to B without being assaulted by inconsiderate drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: sk8dad</title>
		<link>http://www.sjbikeparty.org/archives/3402/comment-page-1#comment-4775</link>
		<dc:creator>sk8dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really well-written and compelling argument.  I like cheeseburgers after my ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really well-written and compelling argument.  I like cheeseburgers after my ride.</p>
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