It’s a sad moment for Bike Party when the reflections for two consecutive months must acknowledge an overwhelmingly negative response to the ride, but at the same time, we as a community have a few things to acknowledge ourselves. In this case, if we are to continue our vitality as a positive force, we must accept our responsibility both individually and collectively to the communities we roll through and to the ride itself.
As is evident from comments posted here and elsewhere, the majority of riders support Bike Party’s goals of community building and riding both safely and legally, but this voice is lacking in recent months on the ride itself. It’s one thing to post disdain for unsafe riding, or to to even suggest ways to clean up the smaller but highly visible “dark” elements of the ride. But without follow through on the ride itself, these sentiments don’t prove much.
As riders, as lovers of Bike Party, as individuals devoted to our community, we need to take more action during the actual ride. This is not to discount the brave efforts of volunteers and BIRDS along the route. August’s turnout of our beloved volunteers was much greater than both June and July combined, but it’s clearly not enough.
It’s held by most that dangerous behavior is perpetrated by a few, perhaps less than 10% of riders. Why, then, does this sliver of our mass dominate how the public – and even riders - views us? Shouldn’t the remaining 90% be enough to keep dangerous behavior to a minimum? If everyone who ever posted a thought or had an idea volunteered their efforts on a third Friday, the response to our venture will look a lot different.
This isn’t to say that there weren’t great moments along this ride. The most obvious was the downtown start, once again proving that central San Jose has embraced bicycles as a fun, practical means to get around and enjoy life. The size of the ride is also reflective of how things are growing and what potential change lies ahead in the South Bay. 4,000 riders gathered at City Hall to enjoy a performance by San Jose Taiko before embarking our 30 mile adventure. But where we shined we also faltered, struggling at times to share the road as well as getting massively off-track at multiple points. And as many are aware, dangerous riding this month lead to at least one serious injury, something I’m sure no Bike Partier would care to see repeated.
There’s a lot of work ahead of us. If everyone could find the time to lend a hand, we could take this thing further than the original 25 riders in Oct. 2007 ever imagined. As we approach our three year anniversary in two months, we need all the volunteers we can get. Attend a meeting, hook up with us on a test ride, and Get Involved!

















Ren
August 24, 2010
I’ve been to about four or five bike parties. This one felt the least organized, I saw the least number of BIRDs at turns, it seemed like people got lost a lot more than usual. I’m not trying to complain, I’m “reflecting”. It felt like the route was more difficult than others and there were multiple false meet ups.
I’m going to try to volunteer, but in the mean time, I do shout “KEEP RIGHT” and “RED LIGHT” as much as possible. I think upping the peer pressure is one of our best options.
I’m fine with the longer route or varying the route length. I agree that going through that super residential section felt off. When we usually go through residential sections, at least its a normal street. I wouldn’t be surprised if our noise was echoing through that complex’s towers.
Also on the route… Going through “downtown” areas with nightlife is super fun and we should do that all the time! Perfect audience for advertising bike party as fun and perfect audience for music and hollering! (Campbell Ave, Murphy St, Santa Cruz in LG)
I haven’t been around long enough to know… but is it possible the shenanigans are a summer issue? Will the hooligans go away once its colder and biking at 11pm takes a little more effort / dedication? Not a solution, but something to consider?
[mod/tr: all these and more: summer issue, not enough BIRDs, crowd not using peer pressure, jerks showboating attracts others,etc/no police enforcement on major issues doesn't help either]
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
I have a suggestion or perhaps this is a request’
For hot august lights I attended all test rides… and they varied quite a bit, and admittedly was confused about the route. I know the route is available within 24hrs, but, I was wondering if it would be possible for the Birds to have access ahead of time?
I would like to ride the route complete on my own to familiarize myself with where I am going or turning etc… the test rides are a bit fast paced for me, I am basically peddling my ass to keep up “not complaining, it’s good for me”… so, essentially I don’t see much. Lol… = D
Also, for the past ride I printed up some extra routes to pass out and on the flip side was the “how we ride” mantra.. These ran out quickly, for printing purposes I would also like to have access to the route a little earlier.
Thanks,
Ian
August 24, 2010
birds already do get early access to the route.
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
Where or when, does this take place?
Thanks,
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
Early access to the route that is? Ian
[mod:need to be on the birds email list - "birds@lists.sjbikeparty.org" to get the map and TxT directions]
Ian
August 24, 2010
Thats a Great question for the Volunteer circle or a test ride or Volunteer meeting.
perlasum
August 25, 2010
@ mod, thanks! I just figured this out today… I didn’t know that existed before.
So, yeah that will help in the future…
lakagona
August 24, 2010
I have to say that unfortunately, many of us are using SJBP to do things that we normally won’t do in a day to day basis. Is like when help is offered in our communities and people always end up abusing the system for their own personal benefit. The same goes in bike parties. People use this opportunity to get really drunk or stone or what ever comes their way. Sincerely I believe is an irresponsible way to use this opportunity to get out and socialize, have fun, exercise, etc. and instead people are riding drunk or drugged creating a very unsafe environment for other pedestrians, cars and many of the riders, including themselves. Sadly this kind of behavior brings bad impression for SJBP and everyone that joins the event. Many people know now that Bike Party is used to get wasted, rather than the real intentions of the SJBP. Another thing that this kind of behavior is leading is people to believe that the SJBP is supporting this kind of irresponsible behavior. SJBP need to re-structure that idea that the real Bike Party should be all about. SJBP need to enforce a waiver form, 1. To protect the organization from lawsuits. 2. To really enforce the rules of safe riding. 3. To have the right to remove, people that only go there to create trouble. Can it be done, well is something that SJBP has to decide and even do many people will complaint or simply will not continue to support the SJBP group, is better to have good responsible riders that will be willing to sign up a waiver just like any other event, than to have bad riders that can create accidents and only go there to get drunk, which only leads to bad behavior. Having the city trashed by beer cans all over, property or cars being tagged, people being hit by cars for taking the red lights, etc etc. etc. the list is. I saw it all this last ride. Riders were not respecting Sunnyvale police, when they were telling us to ride only in the ride lane, a cop almost got hit in riders in downtown SJ, among some pedestrians, people being disrespected for respecting the red light. The list can just go on and on about bad behavior. SJBP has the right idea, but you guys need to be more structure and tough on SJBP law. I am sure thing can change around for this organization and maybe even it if is proved to the police department what the intentions are, maybe the city will support this events.
Ian
August 24, 2010
Waivers have no legal value. you can’t sign away future rights.
There is NO bike party organization to be sued.
We are not incorporated.
if you want to exclude folks you need a permit and insurance. and at that point it’s not bike party anymore..
Rapid Robert
August 24, 2010
We ride on public roads. Who’s to tell anyone they can’t use that road too? What’s the mechanism you propose “to remove people that only go there to create trouble”? Call the police to come and arrest 100 people running a red light and zipping off into the crowd at night? Have Birds chase them down and do what?
There are many bike clubs in the area with many rides as you describe. SJBP exists for those who are excluded from them (in my case because I don’t wear a helmet). Thank God for SJBP! No, thank the organizers and volunteers for SJBP!!!!!!!!!
scott
August 24, 2010
“sjbp needs to” “you need to” “you should”
let’s change it to “we….”
Wilson SS MTB rider
August 24, 2010
@Ian: +1
To the rookie birds complaining, thank you for your contribution and service, but you can just as easily be distracted to “pull rank” as a police officer abuses with “power trips”.
Just say no to inclusion of public servants and enforcers (police), permits, fees, insurance, more rules than needed. Just like Ian points out, at that point “it’s not a bike party anymore…” and I’ll take this opportunity to re-iterate, “…in the end, it’s just a bike ride.”
scott
August 24, 2010
it’s not just new volunteers who aren’t feeling enough of the love out there “Wilson SS MTB rider”
TimC
August 25, 2010
This was only my second BP – LOVE IT! – but it was clear to me that the number of “numb-skulls” were higher in August than July. The North Park debacle didn’t help matters (just for the record, I did my small part by shepherding a couple of dozen cars through the crowds and intersections – may I call myself a “Tweety-Bird”?).
Forgive me for suggesting this, being a guy who only just arrived to the Party, but after reading all of the posts here, the idea of canceling the September ride is a powerful one that really should be considered on several levels. Here are my thoughts:
- It’s clear that having a higher number of riders calling out the numb-skulls is extremely important. Finding a way to turn the now silent majority into a vocal one means communicating to them in the strongest way possible. Canceling September’s Party would be a perfect opportunity to get the message across – “Everyone needs to help others to follow the rules or everyone will lose the Party.”
- Practically everyone who attends BP values the experience and wants to see it continue. But like spoiled children who have received too many wonderful gifts throughout the year, the numb-skulls have begun to not value the Party. Like an under-appreciated toy, they are now handling it roughly and throwing it against the wall to see if it breaks, feeling assured that there are no consequences for their actions – they know that another gift will be coming next month. It’s time to spank those naughty children like a crazed nun and let them know their bad behavior will not be tolerated. No toy for you this month! How they react in October is unknown, but it’s important they know they are the ones responsible for the cancellation. Shine a light on them.
- In the past year, there has been very little local press written about BP. Last month brought a pro/con exchange on the SJ MercNews Opinion Page the week following the July ride. I haven’t seen any this past week. That’s surprising to me since it brought large parts of Downtown to a standstill, North Park was a disaster, and the unfortunate serious injuries could have brought some press. Canceling the Party would be a great opportunity to earn some positive press (while discussing the negatives), but ultimately showing San Jose that the Party wants to be the best it can be for everyone involved.
- As someone mentioned before, September should be a chance for all the hard-working organizers and BIRDs to have their own Party in order to become re-energized for BP’s Third Anniversary in October. They deserve a special break, and this would be the best time for it.
If the September cancellation achieves what I hope it does, the October Party will be the biggest ever, but it will also be the best, for everyone involved.
Long Live Bike Party!
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Thinking about the Midnight Ridazz
As I’ve been reading the various reflections and suggestions these past two months, I think about the sjbikeparty home page and, on the right, it has ‘Our Inspiration’ and mentions ‘Midnight Ridazz’.
If you go to the WIKI page for Midnight Ridazz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Ridazz
and read in the ‘History’ section…
The rapid growth of the ride was beginning to overwhelm the neighborhood where riders met, and perhaps more importantly, it was beginning to overwhelm the organizers. The ride had grown unwieldy; riders were getting lost, altercations and accidents involving riders and frustrated motorists were becoming common,
…
The organizers’ response to this was to step down and allow responsibility for the rides to devolve to the participants, and to encourage splitting Midnight Ridazz from one large monthly ride into several more frequent regional rides. The transition worked remarkably well, due at least in part to the advent of a Midnight Ridazz website with a discussion forum and a ride calendar open to anybody who wished to organize and announce a group ride.
Just sayin’…
You want to organize directional signs? Go for it. Post it, own it, do it.
You want to organize a sag-wagon for broken down riders? Go for it. Post it, own it, do it.
You don’t like salmon or red light runners? Find other like minded posters, organize, develop a plan, execute.
Almost all of the suggestions people are making don’t require any official meeting to make them happen, they just need the posters on this web site to get connected and figure out how they are going to make it happen. And everything necessary to make that happen is already here on this web site. Register on this site and you can communicate with other registered people on this site. You don’t need Ian or RouteScouter or anybody else to make it happen or give it their blessing. You want it, feel empowered!
[mod: need owners & ability to execute & follow up - anyone want to help "rider 44" (intro your name please) thanks]
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
That’s right mod!
owner, ability to execute, and follow up.
Anybody can come up with ideas (as I obviously do)
and I was glad that last month you brought me around from the, ‘you guys should…’ to the ‘what can I do…’ mindset. (Thanks, I needed that)
And connecting the task, the ability to execute the task, and the people that care enough to make it happen can ALL happen here on this website as it is currently implemented, No website change necessary!
Some of the suggestions are things that either haven’t been done in the past, or haven’t been done regularly, for numerous reasons.
Some of the suggestions are things that are already being done (Like Moo pointed out to me this morning regarding litter clean up at regroups).
So if someone wants to ‘own’ a task, all they need to do is do a ‘find’ search thru all these posts for people that posted about that task, introduce themselves, and see where it goes from there!
You can still get involved even if you can’t come to the meeting.
It won’t be worse than it is today.
Want to see route signs? (something not currently done) Search for others that posted about route signs and get connected to see how, together, you all can make it happen.
Want to get involved with litter clean up? (something currently done) post your interest and the litter clean up organizers can connect with you and tell you what you need to do to execute on your interest. (where/when to meet, etc.)
Spliffer
August 25, 2010
Speaking from over a year of Bike Party BIRD experience, I think SJBP is under attack from a shrewd and loosely organized group of “Critical Mass” devotees.
In fact, we are locked in a minor battle of wills for the soul and direction of Bike Party.
No conspiracy theorist here — my bicycling brethren — my conclusion is based my own empirical observations and from accounts of the break-down of discipline in parts of last Friday’s ride.
These anarchists types aim to disrupt and agitate . They can always count on recruiting our own fringe of drunks and punks to do their bidding. They are cleverly using our “lemmings… or sheep” against us.
They sucker punched us last Friday night. It was magnified by the confusion and mistakes that are well documented.
The situation with the Sunnyvale Police is a prime example of a few agitators hiding in our midst, shouting insults like; “F— the police” on even the most innocuous interactions between bicyclists and police officers — aiming to incite a confrontation.
Bike Party thrives because it is a perfect fit for the South Bay culture.
Critical Mass could never see light of day in the South Bay.
By adequately beefing up our number of volunteers, we automatically enact the plan to swat the gnat of the horse’s arse beginning in September.
Improvise, adapt and overcome.
Bike Party forever.
Ian
August 25, 2010
Anarchists by their very nature are not organized enough to have a conspiracy. they are just doing what comes naturally to them and having what they consider a good time at the rest of us’s expense. Just because they aren’t organized doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be
scott
August 25, 2010
guys wanting to rebel and do whatever they want have been here for ages, it’s just that their number has swelled a lot (how much i don’t know), they’re feeling energized by no consequences to their actions and the BIRDs/riders ratio isn’t increasing fast enough to keep up. and the majority of riders aren’t shutting down these jackasses.
will the accidents stop this? probably not
were there really two? lawrence expy/monroe & fair oaks/evelyn
do these jerks like anarchy? yes
but don’t blame hugh and the crew of sfcm for that… but these guys might look up to the concept of critical mass (many things i like & dislike about cm)
but i agree we aren’t critical mass.
but after the last few months we’re getting a really bad rep out there.
we are not sharing the road, riding legally (even after many fb postings,etc)
so who/how are we going to take it back if these jerks greatly outnumber BIRDs “spliffer?” will you help “co-own” the BIRD recruitment effort with a few other BIRDs? build a guerilla marketing effort?
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
@Spliffer, I don’t know if I agree with that. The jerks I see seem to mostly be young boys. Critical Mass doesn’t seem to have that much in that age demographic. perhaps I’m wrong.
Also, on CMass rides I don’t regularly hear ‘F– the police’ or other agitation like that. Granted, CMass has a lot more police presence, maybe before so many motorcycle cops rode with CMass there was a worse police attitude, I don’t know.
I agree with Scott. Blaming Hugh, Chris, Nio and the others with SF CM is totally wrong. They are actually in the process of doing some really positive things with SF CM right now. Hmmm, maybe it might be worth getting some pointers from those guys….
How to take it back? Hmmm, I like the idea of birds riding together (think Ponch and John on CHiPs) for support. I like the idea of people who, for whatever reason, don’t want to be birds, but want to support birds, connecting up with birds at the start and riding together with them in a mutual-aid situation.
I like the idea of big Samoan bouncer type guys that want to help retake BP from the jerks giving their phone numbers to birds so if birds are having difficulty with compliance they could call in even more mutual aid….
ryan
August 25, 2010
I understand where everyone is coming from with wanting to cancel Bike Party for September. I’m frustrated, too.
This could easily back fire, though. Bike Party is part of San Jose culture now, and if the organizers back out, that leaves the door open for others to step in. Given the opportunity, anyone else could easily post up a meeting spot of Facebook and get a ton of people, if not thousands, to meet somewhere, maybe City Hall, and without a proper route or any guidance, this could easily mean catastrophe. Not to bash on Critical Mass, but whatever happens will resemble something more akin to that than anything positive that’s intended by anyone in the SJBP organizing circles.
Also, cancelling it admits defeat to certain extents.
I am down, however, with some drastic route changes to curb excessiveness. A shorter route. One or no regroups. Something painfully boring with few lights like Almaden Expressway, Zanker Road, or Monterey Highway (Monterey road/highway also has the benefit of being really far from anywhere and thus difficult to get to).
Let’s not cancel. Let’s be creative!
scott
August 25, 2010
@ryan – i thought that too… being creative would work. it hasn’t. look at TimC’s posting here!! if positioned right it could work. we’ve been creative for a long time. if cancel to reposition: not a defeat – esp if it’s used to create a new army of RADs in addition to BIRDs (riders against douchebags), the name is not my idea, but i like it.
not saying it will happen, but wouldn’t serious discussion on it today help focus us?
who/what are our key issues: who/what are the problems, who are are “customers”, what are we about, what satisfies our values and mission, who is stepping up/not stepping up and why and other questions.
the hope was to bring this issue from the volunteer mixer we had where this was discussed to this more open forum (and fb?) for maximum exposure while bike party is fresh in people’s minds… before the hub meeting.
could we create a big training session a la the rangers on the 3rd friday night? why not? we can use this month to gear toward just that.
perlasum
August 25, 2010
I like the training idea… if bike party goes on in Sept that’s cool too! But, I really am down with the info sharing!
scott
August 25, 2010
not backing out, just being bold in a different direction to help the short, medium and long term sustainability and enjoyment of bike party!
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Ryan, sure, someone else could post something on fb, as you could right now, with or without SJBP (think Midnight Ridazz and how they roll) but I seriously doubt they’d get the response that SJBP gets or that everyone would then NOT come to the October SJBP. And without a route and guidance, how is that catastrophe? As someone posted yesterday, ‘it’s just a bike ride’. Try Critical Mass in SF this Friday. See you there! You’ll see that large groups can ride without a route and not have a catastrophe. Also, think of how many people rode on Friday with no directions at all, just following a few with blind faith. Yes, lots of groups got lost, but, it worked.
I don’t see it as defeat, I look at it like an army that is starting to lose their objective, pulling back, regrouping, preparing, and then advancing when they know they can achieve their objective.
Note: My above comment is not at all to indicate that I think a route is not necessary. THANK YOU to those that work so hard to create the great routes! Very nice. For those that rode Critical Mass in July and saw the return of the xerocracy, you know how great it is when smart people put together a good route.
Billy the Kid
August 25, 2010
@ryan: thanks for offering more food for thought. A few reactions:
Eliminationg regroups may do us more harm than good. Without official regroups, there may be even more people using the unofficial regroups at every liquor store we pass.
I’m not sure why a shorter route would reduce douchebagery, other than leaving the douchebags less time to do their stuff. Can you elaborate this one?
Keep the thoughts coming. I think we’re on a roll here.
perlasum
August 25, 2010
So, one of the topics here is to suspend the Sept Ride… but the topic is not on facebook’ what about posting it to facebook?
This way.. the idea that the “idiots” may possibly create a punishment for the majority, spreads…. maybe it will create a buzz and more people will step up and or join.
I know this seems like just more talk but, I am however blowing up my fb page “wouldn’t be surprised if people were hiding my updates now.. lol..
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
@Billy, I don’t think regroups change the number of people drinking during Bike Party. Maybe I’m wrong, that’s just my hunch. If I ride by a McDonalds and want a burger, I’m going to stop. If I ride by a store that sells liquor and want a drink, I’m going to stop. BP is already so large that unofficial regroups happen all along the route.
The regroups have their advantages, but I think the amount of alcohol consumed during Bike Party isn’t changed that much based on the quantity of regroups.
Perhaps I’m wrong, that’s just my thoughts.
Martha
August 25, 2010
To GENERAL PUBLIC: BIRDS NEED SUPPORT.
When you have people supporting the birds with traffic flow, lights, staying on the right lane, and staying off the sidewalks, it can make a huge difference. When you see a bird yelling red light, yell red light too and stop. Better yet i…f you form some kind of blockade, it prevents people from passing thru the light or tyring to pass a car. I did this with my son and friend on friday and it prevented people from squeezing thru and cutting the car off. There was only 3 of us and it made a difference. The more people do this, other people will follow. It’s called following the leader.
Or when you see people yelling at the birds to “shut up” and all up in their faces, have their backs as well. The birds are all volunteers that take time away from their family and lifes to make the rides safe for everyone. And for the few punks that don’t want to obey, they will pay the price unfortunately. I really hope that kid is ok that got hit and don’t wish that on anyone. But there is a reason why you stop at red lights.
All I’m saying is help the birds out when you’re out there with your friends enjoying the bike rides. It will make a huge difference. Remember, it if wasn’t for BIRDS and volunteers helping organize these rides, San Jose Bike Party wouldn’t exist.
Ride safe everyone.
Perlasum
August 25, 2010
Spliffer
August 25, 2010
@Scott
I would gladly welcome the opportunity to join a leadership group to develop, refine, or implement BIRD training tactics.
I am certainly not an expert in this area, but; I am a quick learner, and I look forward to the next meeting where I can get with other folks like Namu and other team members, who also expressed interest in recruiting and improving BIRD safety and control tactics.
I apologize to the “Critical Mass” folks for my previous post.
But, we can all agree that some — but not all — of last Friday’s actions bear some likeness to classic CM videos.
Spliffer
August 25, 2010
Is the September hiatus discussion still open?
I thought Scott closed it with a post last night that said we were moving ahead with the September ride.
[mod/tr: the posting was made in advance of the "hub meeting" to elicit feedback that started at the volunteer meeting - where "billy this kid" brought this up. it is still "open" for discussion]
watani
August 25, 2010
i think before we start making drastic changes, we need to understand what we are dealing with. this is SJBPs 3rd summer and the same annoying problems still persist during the best season for night-ridding.
many of you are new and are experiencing what a small collective have seen the past 3 summers. kids/teenagers/young adults are out of school during summer months and there’s not much set aside for them to do. additionally, technology allows them to see and emulate other bike group’s riding behavior ie: mashSF. it’s like a competitive peer pressure type of thing. you know, the whole “i’m cool, look at me” mind set. some, in this particular age range, just don’t care about anyone, including themselves.
now, with that said and next month marks the return to school for many, next month, as it was the past 2 summers, should be calmer. also, as we get more creative to control our traffic, make it fun and cool to stop at red lights, we have a lot of time to experiment and have yet another attempt to curb ill behavior for next summer. in the mean time, those who still choose to continue to ride recklessly will just have to learn the hard way by that of expensive citations and/or extensive injuries from being hit by a car/suv/semi.
long live SJBP
scott
August 25, 2010
how appropriate that you get post #300 watani!
while what you say is indeed historically true, there are troubling trends that point to the fact that we may not have the anticipated drop-off in troublesome riders like we did the two previous summers.
the trendline for BIRDs is not apace as it was last year. further we are not getting the broad based vocal support from the majority of riders during the rides that we have in the past. even with a strong educational push last month.
so the question for the hub and the broader community is can we all come together to once again take bike party back? yes, it seems to be an annual question watani! and does this need to be with fine or broad brush strokes?
anonymouse
August 31, 2010
Make red lights fun… hmmm I’m wondering how we can do that.
Chant at lights… anybody got one? I’m thinking of something similar to what people might do at sporting events (baseball games in particular). Someone had one like, Stop at red lights, surive the night… kind of morbid but it’s short, makes people think, and is probably easily chant-able, and might be fun.
I had the same mind about trash, specifically recycling. I have plans to turn that aspect into a game, to at least influence people to think about cleaning up their trash, if not actually recycling at my potential solution. (I’m keeping it under wraps right now, since It’s still in the works)
perlasum
August 26, 2010
ok, so looks like Sept ride is moving forward!!!
now… I saw something about a possible test ride this sunday? Sounds interestafantastic. I would like to get some bird knowledge…
waz
August 26, 2010
Bird support, I’ve skipped the last two rides because it seemed that, what it was like would be what it was like (by reading)
But, in the past I have rolled up on situations and said, hey , bird, I am with you… which was recieved well… the birds smiled and felt better I am sure.. and the assho… er .. partiers had their game thrown..
So, vocally let the birds know you are with them, don’t just watch and think.. “if this gets worse I’ll step in…”
Also, I guess I should own up to the fact that on my first ride… I stopped at a red with a group, it was clear so me and my nephew took off through the red.. there was groans and calls to stop at red lights.. there was no body yelling anything agressive.. and we were embarassed .. never did it again. so, thanks to everyone who vocalized..
confused
August 26, 2010
I just want to comment on the post about the lengths of the ride. Someone said the rides are never under 25 miles. … I found this strange since when I first started doing bike party Last Year, my first ride was only 17miles and a few more under 20. To say that the rides are never short is wrong. Maybe this new rule* is something new. I love bike party, but maybe there should be a mix of short rides and long ones. The shorter ones I’ve been on have had less problems than the longer rides.
Rapid Robert
August 27, 2010
Rides have gotten longer as the party got bigger. Bigger party means more adolescent peckerheads wanting to mess it up. Constant starting spot made it convenient for them. Facebook and Twitter made the party grow exponentially last summer, also increasing the number of the peckerhead party poopers only out to piss people off.
Going back to short rides at night, now that the immature know what’s happening will only encourage them. Unless there is strong police presence, because those kids are cowards as well as stupid.
[mod: we will experiment with mileage. we ask for as many riders as possible to volunteer. if you can't back up those who do and back up the volunteers. shorter rides will allow BIRDs wary of 27+ mi to come back into the fold]
Rider 44
August 27, 2010
@Rapid Robert,
I see your points. Some of them are true, but there are also corrolaries that are equally true.
I’m going to try to make it to the Sunday test ride, perhaps we can discuss it then.
(Since others feel that, even after 313 comments, we can narrow the focus much better on a test ride than 313 comments in a post-ride reflections possibly can.)
I remember during the Vietnam war, a common phrase was, ‘The Jungle Is Neutral’. Try it, if you google
it, by the time you type
the jungle is
Google finishes it with the word ‘neutral’.
I bring that up because, though many of your points are true, they don’t only work to BPs DISadvantage, they also work to BPs ADvantage.
Rides have gotten longer as the party got bigger.
Ok, for whatever reason, the hub decided to do that, that was their choice.
Bigger party means more adolescent peckerheads wanting to mess it up.
True, but the longer/bigger party impacts the goobers as well as the good.
If a goober says,
‘oh, that’s too long, I don’t want to ride.’
you can be sure that there are one or more good riders that are also saying,
‘oh, that’s too long, I don’t want to ride.’
I would imagine, probably more, because groups of goobers probably aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer and their friends can convince them they should go anyway.
Whearas groups of good riders are probably better socially adjusted and can think of other entertainment options for a Friday night.
It’s a lot easier for me to convince my friends to join me on a shorter distance than it is to say, ‘hey, SJBP is riding THIRTY MILES this Friday night, want to come along?!’
They either think it is a race and don’t come, it’s too far for them so they don’t come, or they recognize that it is not going to end until way later than they’d like to be up, so they don’t come.
Goobers want to be out regardless and have no curphew; legal, parental, or physical.
Good riders think about consequences and recognize. Hmmm, 30 miles, it’s not a race, we’ll probably average around 10-12mph, there are three regroups that will probably take about 20 minutes each, that gets me ending the ride around 12 midnight at the earliest, maybe much later if the route is crowded and we are going much slower. Naah, not worth it, I want to do ___ on Saturday morning.
Of course some could dispute my numbers. Those of you with computers on your bikes, what are your average speeds? I know mine are a lot slower on BP than they are on my daily commute. We all start at 8, when do most people end?
Facebook and Twitter made the party grow exponentially last summer.
Yes! Right on! Isn’t that great!
also increasing the number of peckerhead party poopers only out to piss people off.
And increasing good riders as well. May 2010 was my first ride.
Going back to short rides at night, now that the immature know what’s happening will only encourage them.
I agree, it will encourage the immature. But it will also encourage the mature. The jungle is neutral, the streets of SJ are neutral.
And like I said above, I think MORE good riders will join shorter rides which will help make the ride more positive.
Unless there is a strong police presence, because those kids are cowards as well as stupid.
Realistically, if it’s just the police versus the goobers, the goobers will be able to melt into the crowd and disappear.
But if good riders help the police by calling in bad riders so, as the goober rider progresses along the route, the good rider is telling the police the direction they are headed, their description, etc. then the police can be there waiting to get the bad rider at a good intercept point.
Just like when you follow a drunk down 101 and call 911 telling them where you both are and describing the car the drunk is driving. it dials the cop in so they can know exactly where to strike.
Similarly, if you see a cop trying to stop a goober and the goober flees and you tell the cop, I’ll call 911 and chase them down for you… The cop’ll probably tell you not to since this is 2010 and they don’t like citizens doing things like that.
But, cmon, how fun would that be?! You and your group chasing some thugs that are fleeing the cops, and you telling the cops where the bad guys are headed.
Look at how much joy we all had watching ‘douchebag mike’ get his just reward courtesy of the police. Imagine if you could have had a small part in making that happen.
Thanks for your points Rapid Robert, but I don’t think shorter rides will make more goobers want to ride and less good riders want to ride. Perhaps I’m wrong.
With 34 rides under our belt, does anybody have any statistics as it pertains to: Number of riders, total distance, number of regroups, season/weather, neighborhoods visited, (anything else quantifiable?).
Putting actual data with the opinions would, I think, help clarify these thoughts and observations.
Ride safe,
David
Rider 44
[mod: see comments at bottom of RR's comments. lets all share ways he can "take back the ride" at a series of rides before the next bike party]
Nica33
August 27, 2010
I have been to a few bike parties myself. I do my part in yelling “move to the right” and “stop red light.” I was sad to see two cyclist accidents with vehicles. Idea: What if at the meeting point we get a mic with a good loud speaker and say a few words before the bike ride. Mainly to try to get a word across the idiots who want to try to ruin it and for the postive bike riders to motivate them to speak up and yeal when needed. Maybe assign a number to regular riders who cannott be a BYRD but can be an assisant. They would wear #33 on their back. Just an idea. We need to enforce positive attitude and behavior!! If I can help out I would but at the actual meeting. Time is tight with two kids!!
[we hope the loudest music trailers can ass an outside mic. even then we'll only reach part of the group at a time. the din before bike party is surprisingly loud to overcome]
12 rides under my belt
August 28, 2010
In reading some of the post i came to understand.that these people who are whinning about a little public inconvenience) for one night 1-2 hrs of your life.should understandwe are on a public road. So if you are offedned about other poeple fun i must say bye a house in a private comm, and to the bad apples who are not obeying theroad rules. You are not welcomed…
bmxer
August 28, 2010
ride bmx