It’s a sad moment for Bike Party when the reflections for two consecutive months must acknowledge an overwhelmingly negative response to the ride, but at the same time, we as a community have a few things to acknowledge ourselves. In this case, if we are to continue our vitality as a positive force, we must accept our responsibility both individually and collectively to the communities we roll through and to the ride itself.
As is evident from comments posted here and elsewhere, the majority of riders support Bike Party’s goals of community building and riding both safely and legally, but this voice is lacking in recent months on the ride itself. It’s one thing to post disdain for unsafe riding, or to to even suggest ways to clean up the smaller but highly visible “dark” elements of the ride. But without follow through on the ride itself, these sentiments don’t prove much.
As riders, as lovers of Bike Party, as individuals devoted to our community, we need to take more action during the actual ride. This is not to discount the brave efforts of volunteers and BIRDS along the route. August’s turnout of our beloved volunteers was much greater than both June and July combined, but it’s clearly not enough.
It’s held by most that dangerous behavior is perpetrated by a few, perhaps less than 10% of riders. Why, then, does this sliver of our mass dominate how the public – and even riders - views us? Shouldn’t the remaining 90% be enough to keep dangerous behavior to a minimum? If everyone who ever posted a thought or had an idea volunteered their efforts on a third Friday, the response to our venture will look a lot different.
This isn’t to say that there weren’t great moments along this ride. The most obvious was the downtown start, once again proving that central San Jose has embraced bicycles as a fun, practical means to get around and enjoy life. The size of the ride is also reflective of how things are growing and what potential change lies ahead in the South Bay. 4,000 riders gathered at City Hall to enjoy a performance by San Jose Taiko before embarking our 30 mile adventure. But where we shined we also faltered, struggling at times to share the road as well as getting massively off-track at multiple points. And as many are aware, dangerous riding this month lead to at least one serious injury, something I’m sure no Bike Partier would care to see repeated.
There’s a lot of work ahead of us. If everyone could find the time to lend a hand, we could take this thing further than the original 25 riders in Oct. 2007 ever imagined. As we approach our three year anniversary in two months, we need all the volunteers we can get. Attend a meeting, hook up with us on a test ride, and Get Involved!

















Rider 45
August 21, 2010
Fun ride, glad I came, thanks for all the help from the birds and others to make it an enjoyable evening!
Mike
August 21, 2010
Really sad so many continue to ride dangerously swerving through riders and running lights, seeing one guy the back of an ambulance and another layed out on Laffeyette was horribly sobering.
I agree please make the rides a little shorter, 20-25 miles is plenty, our group was super burned out.
And yes let’s do South San Jose area soon.
testrides
August 21, 2010
we fit in all areas of san jose, there are many reasons why we do certain areas. we need people that live in each area of san jose to see us and for y’all to go on test rides and VOLUNTEER! it’s easy, it’s fun and you meet great people! btw, don’t expect these rides to be 20mi, 25 is the usual minimum folks. ssj will happen, maybe next month, but maybe not.
if you’re out of practice, breath the following helps:
1) eat and hydrate 24hrs ahead of the ride
2) no booze!
3) comfy seat
4) padded bike shorts under your clothes
5) ride your bike other than bike party, including test rides
6) ride near BIRDs
7) get a good rest the night before
8) get to bike party earlier – y’all getting there about 8pm is backfiring on you… getting there around 7pm allows you to get food from 3-5 vendors, relax and get to know new people to ride with.
jdog
August 21, 2010
First Ride. Had a blast. Bailed out about halfway.
Favorite sight of the night. The couple on a tandem bike pulling a small couch with a dog on it and blasting James Brown. Bike Parteee.
2nd favorite moment: Squeezing onto the light rail with my bike at 10:50 pm at Great America. Subsequent stops were too full and a lot of people didn’t make it on. Hope that wasn’t the last train.
Tiffany
August 21, 2010
This was my first ride as an official BIRD and I can say that this was my least and most favorite Bike Party. I got cussed at, thanked, slammed into, and patted on the back, all in one evening.
For the complete description of my night, see my blog: (the post is about 1000 words.. it was a long night) http://thinkcraftythoughts.blogspot.com/2010/08/bike-paaaaaaarty.html
What my post really comes down to is that there just aren’t enough volunteers and good riders. Last night’s route was confusing and cramped and there was probably 1 volunteer for every 100 riders. When you separate the “good” from the “bad”, I think it’s safe to say the volunteer to drunk ratio was 1:30, maybe higher. More riders need to have the route with them, not just figure they’ll find a bird and follow. I came across several groups that had no idea where they were going.. they just kept riding in circles. Some of them even told me I was going the wrong way and tried to argue with me about the fact I was a volunteer.
Here are some key QUOTEs from my post:
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- People were riding with open containers, running red lights, in the left lane, and were cussing out anyone that was trying to get them to ride by the law.
- Bikers were swerving around her, yelling at her and then cutting her off. I used my whistle to try and help clear a lane for her, but she had had enough. She started flooring her engine to come mere inches from riders before slamming on her brakes.
- Several riders thanked me for the directions, cheered me on and gave me the positive energy boost I needed right then. Thank you all you riders who thank the BIRDs at corners. I never realized how much that meant until I was a BIRD myself.
- A group of college kids looking to escape the chaos of the main ride ended up following behind me once they realized I had the route. They helped me stop other riders at lights, keep people in the right lane, and lead the group of riders we picked up along the way. By the end of the ride they were all shouting “car back”, “red light”, and “right lane” just as much as I was.
- I tried to give him the most direct route possible but he was so drunk he couldn’t remember if I had told him to turn right or left onto Wolfe, let alone the rest of the way. Finally I asked if he had a phone and I typed out the 5 lines of directions for him. He was a really nice kid.. but still. I hope he made it home safely.
- The Home Depot manager [looked] very angry. I talked to him and together we found a more experienced BIRD whose name I can’t remember atm. The other BIRD was very helpful and between the two of us we got the manager to calm down.
- As for accidents along the ride, I was only aware of the one at Fair Oaks and Evelyn. According to eye-witnesses at the scene and the officer, the kid ran a red light, along with his friends, and ended up being the unlucky one. He had neither bike lights nor a helmet and was riding with a group of similarly outfitted riders that were lost on the way to the 2nd regroup. He was stable, just scrapped up and terrified.
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Overall I love Bike Party and I’m definitely going to keep getting more involved. Last night was something I’m not going to forget for a long time, both because of the highs and lows of the evening. I made a new group of friends and shared Bike Party with some of my old ones. The majority of them agreed with me that last night, in the end, the pros out weighed the cons, but sadly a couple of them have told me they won’t be participating again. Honestly, I can’t blame them.
[admin: yay tiffany! thank you!!!]
Billy the Kid
August 23, 2010
I followed the link and read your full-length version. Great write-up. You beautifully captured the frustrations and rewards of birding.
DisturbedOnlooker
August 21, 2010
Last night, I was surprised to hear a large crowd of people outside in the street. They were yelling, swearing loudly, and singing raucously. Just as I had decided to ignore it and try to go to bed, I heard cars honking, then a loud crunch and people yelling for someone to call 9-1-1. I called 9-1-1 and reported the incident, although at that point I was unsure what was happening, then I went to my window and looked out. What I saw was an enormous crowd of bicyclists ignoring the red light at Reed and Lawrence and riding straight through, occupying both lanes on the street. One of them had apparently been hit by a car. I watched as emergency vehicles arrived and the biker was taken away in an ambulance. Throughout the entire incident, the stream of bicycles and bad behavior continued, looking a lot less like the community event it claims to be and more like a gang terrorizing the neighborhood. It’s really unfortunate that the city allows such a disruptive and dangerous activity to continue. Needless to say, if I never see this happen outside my apartment complex again, it will be too soon.
sanjosebikeblog
August 21, 2010
this had to have been the biggest bike party to date and I think thats why some of these people in good old over-conservative San Jose are complaining about one night in their lifes where several thousand people (is there a count??) got out and did something that didnt involve burning fuel or using oil, 2 things that ruin our natural world everyday! bike party is pure man power and nothing but fun, and all I gota say to these complainers is keep complaining cause all your doing is missing all the fun and blowing hot air! Bike Party will keep going on forever in the San Jose area! if crit-mass can go for years and years in SF and all over the world then harmless SJBP can go on even longer!
the best thing about rolling through the neighborhoods is about every other house the people come out and enjoy seeing us, the kids are out giving “high-fives” from the sidewalks, people are taking pictures and wanting to know when the next one is. that has always been one of my faves about bike party, even people on Murphy ave were givin “high fives”
and for everyone that ran red lights look what happened, about the worst accident on a bike that could happen, now everyone on the next SJBP better be happy to stop at red lights for the sake of this guy who got nailed and could have died! do people wanna see someone die on bike party?? I know I dont! my homie broke is leg last night and went home in an ambulance and that was enough carnage for me the see on SJBP and that wasnt from riding unsafe.
after 19 bike partys and the large numbers that come out now I have been saying “the Birds need better tools” like each having a megaphone ($22 for a 50watt at harbor freight tools in Newark!) they also need light wands and a more exacting aggressive agenda to help keep people moving and following more traffic rules, Ive seen Ryan easily clear a parking lot on the Stanford ride with the one megaphone you guys seem to have going around. if everyone gave a dime to SJBP every ride you guys could get these tools and voice or show the way to a safer ride. I could seriously go off on this subject…
bike party for life!
testrides
August 22, 2010
@sanjosebikeblog – your heart’s in the right place but the “BIRDs should to this” or the “megaphone is the answer” etc are not the issue. the issue is riders are not stepping up. something far more drastic has to happen.
if a group of riders is told to stop at a red light and insists on crossing an expressway against a red light… gets hit and there are still people crossing against the red, the light bulb is not turning on for far, far too many people.
once again. what are you (that’s the collective “you” not just sanjosebikeblog) willing to do to keep sj bike party going? we all want it to keep going, share the road and have noone injured or killed, right?
scott
August 24, 2010
it’s not as simple as you state sjbb ;-( it requires a lot of coordination and help and respect from the riders. at stanford it cleared cuz the crowd was ready to go. but it still went the wrong way out due to inadequate coordination and too few BIRDs. we are definitely lacking crowd assistance (themselves) and # of BIRDs.
if we can get these last 2, we’re “golden.”
DisturbedOnlooker
August 22, 2010
I apologize if my first post sounded harsh. I don’t want anyone to get the wrong idea because I am in full support of community events, physical activity, and having fun. However, what happened outside my window last night did not look like fun. It looked like a horrible accident caused by a disorganized free-for-all. I hope that the person who was hit is alright and that whoever is in charge seriously considers the changes that need to be made to protect the participants and other community members before planning the next event.
Tyler
August 22, 2010
So my bike party experience last night…
Our pre ride was fun, but for some reason, hella drivers were honking at us. We obeyed traffic rules, and tried to hug the right side most as possible. No one got hurt, so that’s a good thing.
Taiko drummers set the tone for the festive night, and it was a good way to start it off.
The ride was good, but it had its ugly moments. I’ll start with the bad parts. Red light runners, damn! There were still a lot of red light runners last night, and no one really took initiative to call them out. All they did was stop and stare. Im pretty sure the BIRDS called them out, but no one else decided to step up and help out. People were going against traffic, which is not a good thing. Taking the left lane with no cars in it would be alright, but going against traffic just influences more idiots to do that. The accident on Fair Oaks and Evelyn? I hope the dude is alright, but I got no sympathy for him running a red light. If he went on a green light and got hit, he would have my full support. The stupid part was that people were still running red lights after passing that accident! Damn, are you serious? Thats an epic facepalm right there. Residents, I can understand. I know some people are pissed that the noise caused them to be up all night, but some others took the bike party rolling through their neighborhood in stride and had fun with it.
Anyways, off to the pros!
I had fun jamming through santa clara and sunnyvale! It was pretty cool to go past Great America with techno music blaring on the speakers. Biking through business parks at night was a good idea cause not too many cars pass through there at night. On some parts of the route, people did a nice job of letting cars go past by them. The food trucks… oh man. So good. It’s starting to become a food fest alright! Riding through Downtown Sunnyvale, many people showed us love, which truly made me happy. At the end of the night, I was tired, but those seven hours of riding felt like it was worth it.
Ideas on how make bike party safe and still fun?
- I liked the idea of bottlenecking the lanes. People are still gonna be idiots and run through red lights, while others will get booty tickled by people blocking the lanes at a red light. But I think its a decent way to curb the red light runners, it just needs much cooperation with other people.
-Calling people out in a humorous way is not bad, but again, it needs other people to step up and call others out. It’s no good if only one person does it, just makes them look loud.
I hope we can get some solutions rolling, so that way we can have less douchebag mikes, yeah?
tss
August 22, 2010
tss,, i was at this event,, this one “bird” was riding in the left lane the whole fucking time.. dude didn’t say shit to anyone and was backing up cars.. real cool.. oh yeah and to the dude crying over the bike light contest.. JOUST.. nobody gave a shit.. about the lights.. wah wah
SJQuakesFan
August 22, 2010
I am the guy in the Black A’s jersey who was trying to control traffic pretty much from the 2nd regroup through the rest of the ride.
It was disappointing to see the accident and Reed and Lawrence, but stupidity sometimes needs to be punished.
This is why you don’t run red lights. This is why you don’t ride w/o lights. This is why you stay in the right freakin’ lane. Nobody deserves to get hurt, but something has to serve as a wakeup call to “not be a dumbass”
I’m very glad that there was a partial police presence at certain points along the route. It highlights one of the main caveats of the Bike Party. “If we don’t police ourselves, the police will gladly take over, and they sure as (crap) won’t be as tolerant as the BiRDs are.” I heard the SJPD get booed when they tried to herd us into the rightmost lane, and i’m just thinking “if we stayed in the right lane ourselves, the cops wouldn’t be ‘bothering’ us.” Considering how we shut down traffic at the start of the ride, I want to say we were lucky that the cops didn’t try to shut us down..
Before I started attempting traffic control at the Home Depot stop, there were about 6-7 cop cars. I’d like to believe that the reason 4 of the police cars left is because they saw someone take control of traffic and allow cars to pass when necessary. It was tough attempting to wrest control away from disorder but I think some people take a clue from those who are trying to keep people from breaking basic rules and follow them. I only ran into trouble once while attempting to “enforce” the rules.
Some Jersey shore lookin’ guy was stopped in the middle of the road doing the hell knows what the exchange went like this. (mind you i never stopped or got in his face, i saw it well ahead of me and just kept riding)
“please don’t stop in the middle of the road”
“fuck you”
“thats nice, but please pull over to the side of the road if you’re stopped, you’re creating a hazard”
“fuck you”
“nobody cares, but just don’t stop in the middle of the road” (as i rode past him)
“fuck you”
“just get to the side”
and that was it.
Communication between riders and drivers is important as well. I pulled up to several cars that were stuck behind “lawless” cyclists and asked them where they were going or if they needed the way cleared, and I proceeded to take control of the situation.
I don’t care if I come off as a rules “nazi”, but someone’s got to do it before we get shut down. Goodness knows some NIMBY busybodies write a letter every month complaining about us.
The ride length was epic (and perfect) I’m a self-described fat-ass and i rode 40 miles total that day and had no problem with it. I rode the 10 miles home from work and the full 30 mile party route. Routes should NOT avoid residential areas, just ride through them “responsibly”. For every angry neighbor who doesn’t like being disturbed by riders for 30 minutes as the party passes by, there are 4 to 5 neighbors out with their kids cheering us on, or blasting music, or handing out water bottles. The good neighbors should be thanked for their patience and enthusiasm.
Full disclosure: I drink along the route. I know it shouldn’t be done but i know my limit and it helps being cognizant that I am on a two wheeled object that can tip over at any point and leaves me exposed to serious injury. The length of the route needs to stay long (minimum marathon-length) to minimize the retarded binge drinking that goes on and to weed out the bad (super-drunk) apples that can’t keep up.
Ian
August 22, 2010
Awesome post! thanks for your support. Come to a volunteer meeting or to the Volunteer circle we do before each ride and we’ll get you setup as a bird because you already are one … Thanks again for helping Make bike party great!
Rider 45
August 22, 2010
Regarding calling out bad behavior. Thanks to those that tried.
I found yelling positive things like:
‘Stay to the right please’,
‘red light party!’,
‘Ride safe please’,
in a positive, upbeat, encouraging tone worked quite well.
When I heard people yelling,
‘don’t be a douche bag, stop at the red light’
in (what sounded to me like) an authoritative, condescending tone,
I noticed several things:
1) Absolutely no one complied.
2) By the time the speaker got done saying ‘bag’, the rider was already well inside the intersection and unlikely to stop, turn around, or even hear the rest.
3) It just gave the ride a negative tone.
4) I discovered I really don’t like hearing the phrase ‘douche bag’ repeatedly at a supposedly fun gathering, it gives me a mental picture I’d rather not have on the bike party.
Granted, #4 is my own personal issue, I’m sure others don’t have that hang up.
So that’s how I ‘stepped up’ and helped more during this ride and I was pleased with the results. I also don’t recall getting cursed out ever. I think by giving a positive vibe, I was able to get a positive vibe back.
A fun ride, glad I did it. Thanks again to the birds and other leaders that did so much to help make it so good.
Rapid Robert
August 22, 2010
Rider45 makes a very good point. Who wants to yell negativity during a party?!? I’m an old man so it comes naturally to me 8^), but most want to have a fun time and not have to be bitchin’ all night. And who can blame them?
Perhaps we should have a start location that’s outside of San Jose a good distance, my theory being that those most likely to be red light runners and salmon are as lazy and unresourceful as they are stupid and disrespectful. Sometimes I wish I had a laser powerful enough to pop a tire from 100 feet away. I can probably do it to a stationary tire from that distance with a handheld laser available now, but a tire in motion is still a bit in the future. I could certainly sting ‘em in the back!!! 8^) Just a thought in frustration.
Anyway, corking the road will help a bunch quietly and directly, and politically correct admonitions from women (especially) on bullhorns should wrangle some of the smirkin’ salmon. Maybe a common chant of “on the right”, “on the right” will move them. More and more powerful bullhorns might also help, again with young and/or women’s voices in them. the voice of an old guy like me just brings up a finger.
MTM
August 22, 2010
I went to Tasman & Fair Oaks that evening to pick my daughter up from Bike Party. We headed south on Fair Oaks at about 11:30 pm. This was my first experience with Bike Party and I enjoyed seeing the groups of cyclists. However, it was rough going. They took up both lanes of southbound traffic. When I finally reached a signal (didn’t even look at the name of the street, too busy watching where I was going), there was a policeman trying to direct cyclists and motorists. I was the first car at the signal and was stopped. Cyclists surrounded me, and when the light turned green, I started to slowly go forward, but cyclists on my right turned left in front of me. Cyclists heading east on the cross street were still proceeding through the signal in spite of the policeman trying to stop them. Total chaos there. Fortunately, we all seemed to make it through without incident. I try to be courteous to cyclists and really expect the same in return. Hopefully everyone will be safe next time and be respectful.
DionRidesBikes.com
August 22, 2010
Aside from the obvious (people running red lights, riders with massive head trauma due to running red lights, harrassing cars, being douchebags, getting lost, etc.) here are my suggestions to riders and organizers.
1. BIRDS: BE SEEN! At one point, we were following the crowd but kind of aimlessly. I know I should’ve printed the route, but I never had to do that before, so I didn’t feel it necessary. On Friday, we did feel a bit lost, and I only spotted one BIRD that I had to ask if we were going the right way. I think BIRDS should be readily seen: maybe a flag (with lights going up the pole), and definetely a NEON green shirt with the gigantic BIRD logo on it. I know the little screen print with the safety pins are cooler, but you folks really ought to be completely visible. That blue fabric pinned to you gets lost in the dark. BIRDS ought to have a “uniform” (like the NEON shirt idea) just so you can be seperated from the masses. Like at a concert, you can spot the security because they are uniformed.
2. Please learn basic bike handing skills: Honestly, if you’re going to ride the SJBP, please ride your bike more than once a month. As somebody who’s been riding bikes all my life and as an old-school BMX’er, it’s weird to see somebody hit the pavement for no reason – no pothole, no wall, no car, no other bicycle… just plain lack of being able to handle a bike. Or worse, just seeing people outright run into a curb for no reason and going over the handlebars is insanity to me. All that wiggly-jiggly movement and weaving makes other nervous and causes accidents. Learn how to ride up and off a curb, or at least steer in a straight line.
3. Come prepared: It won’t kill you to bring a spare tube (or tubes), tire levers, a pump or C02 inflation device, and basic metric tools (that means tools in millimeters) to fix your bike. Although people are cool to help you out if you’re stranded, your AAA membership doesn’t work with bicycle riding. Be self-sufficient. A basic tool kit and seat bag may run you $20, but it’s worth it.
4. Prepare your bike: I saw a TON of pinch flats on Friday’s ride that means people are not inflating their tires to the recommended psi. Inflating your tires to 120psi won’t help you go faster, especially if you’re 150 lbs., soaking wet. And running your tires at 20psi is a recipe for disaster. If you’re running wider tires (700 X 35, for example) you can run lower tire pressures that will actually give you a better ride (not as harsh) and will handle road hazards and such MUCH better. Look on the sidewall of your tires to see what the manufacturer is recommending – they will usually give a range (i.e. 65psi-95psi or 95spi-120psi) depending on the type of tire. Skinny road tires will recommend higher pressure, and wide mountain tires will recommend a lower tire pressure. Depending on your body weight and how much stuff you are carrying, adjust your tire pressure accordingly. You will avoid pinch flats and have a more comfy ride if you just pay attention to what your tire reads.
Pay attention to your chain tension, especially you fixed gear folks; too tight and you put unnecessary strain on the chain and too loose may cause you to drop your chain.
5. In the end, the participants are responsible for the success and failure of this fun event: If you like SJBP and want to see it continue – it’s all up to you. You want to run red lights, you want to act obnoxious, you want to cause and accident or fall victim to one because of your lack of common sense? Then understand that the San Jose Bike Party can end at any time. It’s not the organizers, the BIRDS, the cops, the residents nor the cars – IT’S ALL UP TO YOU if you want this to continue. If you can’t act like a decent human being, then please find another place to go, because those of us who enjoy SJBP and act like civilized people having a good time don’t want to lose it because of a few nimrods.
Billy the Kid
August 22, 2010
You make good points, but as far as getting lost, seeing the BIRDs won’t always help. I’m a BIRD and after the second regroup, I was among the hundreds who got lost. Rather than read my directions, I was foolishly following another BIRD, and she took some wrong turns following somebody else. Only at a confusing intersection did I finally check my directions and discover we weren’t even supposed to be at this intersection.
BIRDs can be as lazy/silly as anyone else.
The only real difference between a BIRD and a regular rider is that we have:
1) a patch; and
2) a willingness to pitch in to make the ride successful.
That’s it.
So please do bring your own printout of the route sheet. The more riders who do so, the less chance of getting lost.
Perlasum
August 23, 2010
All good suggestions, hope to see you at the test ride/volunteer meet up.
North Park Resident
August 22, 2010
SJBP is inconsiderate and rude. The fun for SJBP should NOT come at the expense of the 1000s of residents of a 100% residential area, particularly when there are tons of other streets to weave through that are 100% commercial. SJBP seems designed not to have a good ride for the exercise but to cause a ruckus and impede on OTHER people’s enjoyments. These are peoples homes, their sanctuaries. We are a working community with many young children. The last thing anyone wants to do after coming home from work on a Friday night is listen to a bunch of obnoxious people screaming (including profanity), boom boxes, etc. Imagine trying to get to your HOME and having to wait 30 minutes for riders to pass – irregardless of whether they observe traffic rules (which it did not seem many were doing). The sheer size of your group should have commanded a BETTER route, certainly not through a residential community such as North Park.
You also left so much litter behind, it really left a sour taste in my mouth. It was absolutely disgusting to see my “backyard” trashed by people who had already ruined my night previously. I was trying to relax and watch a movie – not get my ears attacked by the rudeness of riders and their choice words. The amount of beer cans left behind… disgusting. Even more disgusting that drunk people are riding around.
Nobody has anything against SJBP RIDING their bikes, it’s HOW you ride them and WHERE you ride them. Nobody cares that you’re riding your bike and enjoy that. Have you fun but not at other people’s expense. Be mindful and have some consideration for people around you.
Billy the Kid
August 22, 2010
@ North Park Resident,
Aren’t you the same person who was earlier posting under the name “Eileen”? It would be a weird coincidence if TWO North Park residents hated Bike Party, threw around the figure 100%, used the same non-existent word “irregardless,” and capitalized every 20th word.
You should really stick to one screen name. Otherwise, you might mislead people into thinking there were more folks complaining about Bike Party than there really are.
I’m sorry you were disturbed, and I’m sorry some douchebags littered. Organizers try to keep riders respectful, but we don’t always succeed. You should take some comfort in knowing there is virtually no chance Bike Party will be on that street again for a long time. We change the route every month.
In the meantime, we’ll continue to improve our crowd-control.
Ashley
August 22, 2010
Not all people are riding the way you describe. The music and shouts of bike party are innocent fun, integral to the event, fleeting, and harmless. It’s your community; the San Jose population are the ones that are riding through your neighborhood. Maybe some of them drink – you don’t think it bothers other riders? It doesn’t seem like you bothered to read any of the comments or the “how we ride” section at all, or you’d see we’re trying our best.
In the end it boils down to: Haters gon’ hate, keep pedaling SJBP
<3
(PS – PROFANITY???? My poor ears…. hahaha what the fuck is this the Victorian era? This country is weird sometimes.)
[mod/tr: there's a time and a place for everything... these residents have valid points!]
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
Ashley, you honestly think it’s OK to yell profanity out in a public ride like this?
Sigh. The world is changing, and it’s not for the better.
Billy the Kid
August 23, 2010
The late, great George Carlin put it best:
There are bad thoughts. There are bad intentions. There are no bad words.
The English language is beautiful, and I for one think it’s inappropriate to build a fence through the language putting some parts of it out of people’s reach.
jb90
August 22, 2010
Had an awesome time on Friday! Can’t wait ’till next month. Got some random footage, too. http://www.youtube.com/user/Barronj90
pizzasfortires
August 22, 2010
Had a awesome time, no doubt about that. Thanks to everybody that is making SJBP better and better. Don’t let peoples overly negative feedback discourage a super positive event. People will be people regardless of where they are. That will create good results and poor resluts. It is up to us as a total (through individual responsiblity and encouraged “HOW WE RIDE”) to create better and better BIKE PARTY!!! People, don’t give up. You are all doing a amazing job. Keep it up!
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
There’s also something to be said for not turning a blind eye to negative feedback. I read all the comments on this post so far, and it seems to me that people aren’t really being negative as much as they’re trying to make suggestions to help improve the event. With that said, you’re absolutely right about it being up to all of us – and that includes the people who had bad experiences.
Ian
August 22, 2010
Feedback without action behind it is empty…
Everyone who loves the ride but is unwilling to help implement it tells us “YOU should”. what we need more of is “I Will Help Bike party improve by….”
At some point a lot of us Put a ton of time into Making Bike party successful “YOU should” help
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
I’ll be at the next meeting.
testrides
August 22, 2010
volunteer – it’s easy, it’s fun.
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
My first experience with SJBP!
I had a blast, in spite of the overabundance of rude riders who refused to follow the few simple rules. I also bailed early because of time constraints, but I got about ten miles done – watch out next month!
My perceptions as a first time rider (and please keep in mind this is meant to be constructive, not critical):
1) BIRDS
BIRDs are not nearly as visible as they should be. All should wear the same bright yellow or orange shirt with a BIRD logo on it. A tall flag pole with small banner might help, as well. There should be a much smaller BIRD-to-rider ratio, and there should be BIRD leaders supervising and coordinating the regular BIRDs. Every BIRD leader should be equipped with 2-way radios and a bullhorn and should be trained on how to use them. Additionally, BIRD leaders could have a small first aid kit with them. BIRD leaders would be spaced out regularly along the routes in stationary positions and BIRD regulars would ride among the rest of us, providing directions and enforcing rules. Every single intersection with a light should have at least two BIRD supervisors – on opposite corners. I only noticed one BIRD the entire time I rode the route and I wouldn’t have known her to be a BIRD if she wasn’t shouting on a megaphone, lol.
2) REINFORCING RULES
At the start of the ride, and on the website rules page, all riders should be encouraged to be EXTRA vocal when they hear someone say “ride right!” or “car back”. If ten people yell “ride right” at you, you are much more likely to respond than if one person does it. Reinforce this at meetings, start times and rest stops – if you hear someone yell “RIDE RIGHT”, you join right in with them. And on the topic of rules, just because you see the crowd of bikes surging through a red light doesn’t mean you should follow. Encourage people to stop at the lights, even if the majority is continuing through.
3) WORKING WITH THE CITY
Is it possible to work more with the city on routes? Can they block off areas that are known to be more dangerous (certain intersections, known bottlenecks, etc)? If the city can block off certain streets for parades or help direct traffic, is it possible they can do the same for SJBP? If you let the city know the routes in advance, maybe they can have police cruisers nearby or traffic officers directing in intersections.
4) DRUNK RIDERS
The drunken riders were a HUGE turn off. Several times I rode past groups of riders screaming profanities at people on the sidewalk or turning around and riding the wrong way through oncoming riders. I realize that it’s supposed to be a party, but there’s a thin line between a festive, fun and safe ride and a drunk and disorderly ride that’s more work than fun.
5) MONETIZING THE EVENT
Many of the suggestions I’m making cost money and as a free event it can seem difficult to come up with that money. But with a built-in audience of literally thousands of attendees every month, it should be a fairly straight forward thing to raise capital by private donation, vendor space rental, public grants, etc. Talk to businesses along the routes and ask them to contribute money in exchange for advertising on the website, or work with them to set up vendor spaces in their parking lots (many of which are completely empty after hours and the business owners might jump at the chance to earn some new customers or income during those off hours). Designate several SJBP tandem or trailer bikes to ride the ride with banners – companies will pay to use that ad space. Ask for donations on the website. Personally, I’d be glad to donate to support such an awesome community event and I’m sure hundreds of others would be, too. With this money, you can buy t-shirts, 2-way radios, banners for advertising space, flagpoles to give to BIRD for use on their bikes…all kinds of things. In fact, I’m willing to bet you could get the most of that stuff donated each year in exchange for advertising and you can use the money for all kinds of other things.
Finally:
I realize that a lot of what I’ve said has probably been said already, but it never hurts to chime in if you’ve got ideas. You’ve all done a wonderful job – even with all the issues, I still really enjoyed myself and I’ll come back for sure! But overall, the ride felt unwieldy and only barely managed – and it will only get bigger. With ride growth comes increased responsibility and new challenges and I’m hoping that a lot of us will jump in and help raise the bar.
I’ll come to the next organization meeting and I’m open to helping in whatever ways I’m capable of. Thanks again for such a cool event!
Namu
DionRidesBikes.com
August 22, 2010
I have to agree with you on reinforcing the rules, Namu. I was thinking it would’ve been good for a P.A. system at the start of the ride after the Taiko drummers, *just* to “remind” people to pay attention.
I think a loud and clear message at the beginning would’ve helped.
With a brand new addition to your family and such, it’s good you got to make it out.
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
Thanks Dion.
Ian
August 22, 2010
Namu
none of us want to do bike party as a job it is a labor of love. who wants to spend all night Not riding? i know i have no interest in that. and it would insure that once you became a volunteer you would not be able to participate in that which you love? We are an all volunteer organization without any budget other than what we can raise from off the cuff donations.
I know your heart is the tight place so I’ll explain a little background. as you said Please don’t take this the wrong way
your birds leaders suggestion sounds like it would suck for the bird leaders
as to point 2 how are we not asking folks to self police? if you have suggestions as to how to do it better (or better yet the ability to improve it)
point 3 shutting down streets is really expensive they shutdown 1 mile of san fernando for via velo and i think it was over 50k… we would have to raise so much that it would make us prohibitively expensive
4 being intoxicated on a bike is illegal in the state of California it is considered to be a DUI and causes loss of license. We as citizens are not able to enforce this one it needs to be enforced by the police.
5 Funding yes we certainly could use some help with this. thanks for volunteering
All of us Make up that which is bike party. if each of us does 1 thing to make it better it Would be amazing. Theres a ton of power in the numbers we represent because we are not a protest we are a movement. But if everyone waits for someone else to volunteer because it is too much work bike party will not scale. Trust me i know how much work it can be but with many hands the load is lighter.
Thanks again for all of the thought you have put into how we can make bike party better it shows how amazing the Bike party is that we get people so passionate.
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
No worries Ian!
So, for your comment about it sounding like it wouldn’t be much fun for BIRDs if they implemented my ideas, you’re right – it may not be as fun as the ride itself. Events of this size and nature, however, really can’t be fun for everyone involved. There have to be background people making sure everything is as safe as possible and moving along like it should. Whether it’s a carshow, a music festival, a nightclub concert or any other event with lots of attendees, organization is key and crowd control is just about the most important aspect you can focus on. The idea is to recruit volunteers who want to be part of the event but may not want to or be able to ride, and have these people take on the fixed position roles. Husbands or wives, grandparents or just friends of the event. We saw people all along the route just parked outside in their lawn chairs or sitting on their car hoods, watching as we rode by – I bet some of those people might be enticed to help out. It would be awesome if it could be fun for everyone, but any successful event is successful because of the behind the scenes work, and that sometimes means skipping out on the fun. For example, a rotation might be great. I’d be willing to skip a month as a rider to be a BIRD leader and I’m sure there are lots of others who would, too. The trick is to just schedule it out so everyone gets a turn at the ride, lol.
I know, it all sounds like a lot of work, and seems like it ruins the spirit of the ride, which seems to be “show up and have some fun”, but as big as the event is now, safety is a really big concern and making sure the city doesn’t try to make it difficult for the ride to even happen, as well.
Anyway, I’m excited to help out, and I look forward to meeting you at the next meeting.
Namu
testrides
August 22, 2010
great ideas namu … execution is the key challenge.
opportunity: we have over 1000-1500 that can volunteer as they ride the right way and have been on much more than 2 rides! we need 100-150 new volunteers to make this thing work right.
Larry Ames
August 22, 2010
Great starting location!
Thnx, SJ Taiko, for the pre-ride performance! Thnx, Councilmember Oliverio, for distributing tail-light blinkers!
FYI,
I have posted a couple photos from the Aug ride at
~Larry
Larry Ames
August 22, 2010
address:
http://www.wgbackfence.net/SJBP08-10/index.html
Namu Williams
August 22, 2010
Larry, thanks for sharing! That almost-aerial shot of the Taiko group is awesome (DSCF4969a.jpg).
Spliffer
August 22, 2010
Great insightful points Ian.
And good points by Namu Williams.
The actual function of BIRDs is to serve as safety guides.
Our goal is to get folks through the route SAFELY and efficiently.
BIRDs ARE NOT BABY SITTERS!
However, we do some hand holding to the inexperienced, young, and sometimes over-zealous riders with decent and respectful attitudes.
BIRDs also need to enjoy the Bike Party experience with their friends who attend the event.
And even during these brief breaks, the safety hat is always on.
Birds sacrifice for the good of the Party — Bike Party, that is.
And they take their responsibilities seriously.
There are certain requirements Bike Party attendants need to uphold and, that is, be aware of the SJBP mantra of HOW WE RIDE and follow the rules of the road.
These are the guiding principles that will allow for safety within Bike Party pelotons and maintain order on the streets.
Following: HOW WE RIDE is, to date, the only entry ticket to SJ Bike Party.
The rules are as clear as a bell. Folks have to TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
SJ Bike Party has built an awesome functioning community of devoted bicyclist.
This community has to grow up and be responsible for it’s own internal control.
We are dealing with reduced city budgets and massive lay-off of public servants all over the USA including right here in South Bay.
We cant rely on police departments to waste man-hours on bike Party issues on a Friday night.
There are many excellent comments and great ideas coming from all corners, but; at the end of the day, SJBP has a HUGE need for more volunteers to keep pace with a Bike Party community that is sprouting like a weed.
If folks can give a minimum of two hours or more — here, or there — heck, Bike Party will take whatever you can give. SJBP is an all welcoming group of devoted volunteers. Everybody is accepted and nobody is rejected.
Here is your chance to: learn, develop, demonstrate, practice, sharpen and contribute your leadership and organizational skills, that will serve you and Bike Party well in any future endeavor.
Just help out and give us what you can — when you can.
Bike Party forever!
eileen
August 22, 2010
@billythekid
I see why your name inlcudes KID. Perhaps you should grow up. Because you may use 2 screen names doesn’t mean other people do. Could it POSSIBLY be that more than ONE north park resident got pissed and annoyed and wrote on this website???
Perhaps, just plausibly perhaps, you annoyed ALOT more north park residents… many of whom didn’t write comments here, and a few who bothered to look up your website and actually posted comments here.
So if you think that negative feedback comes from a SINGLE person, and has to be someone posing under different pseudomnyms, we see how YOUR mind works.
Grow up. 2 different people. Why would someone post under 2 different names?
Shows the stupidity of the people who caused the ruckus last night.
eileen
August 22, 2010
furthermore, the website admins can probably see the IP addresses or whatnot to confirm it’s coming from 2 different sites, from different sources.
Either way, just because you’re a suspicious and clearly a person whose inner workings of the mind can think of doing things in a unethical manner, doesn’t mean that the rest of society actually does behave that way.
Think about it. Perhaps, just perhaps, more than one north park resident got truly annoyed enough to look up this website and write a feedback that shows how annoyed they are.
If you can’t take true negative feedback and suggestions (see my very first post about perhaps the leaders of the pack making noise and the rest of the riders NOT when going through residential streets), and make use of it… and instead belittle it with false accusations of different North Park residents being one single poster… enough said. It speaks volumes about the person that YOU ARE.
Furthermore, I have not gotten one single response or reply or apology or even an acknowledgement from the organizers of this SJBP event about my email to them directly. But why should I be surprised.. given the type of “community event” that was organized? A simple acknowledgement in email form from the organizers would have been better than the absolute silence about the disturbance they caused with the SJBP.
Where is the co-ordination with the city?
Why were the routes not properly highlighted with markers on the streets?
Why does the event have to occur in the dead of night (ie after the SUN HAS SET???)
Why can’t the event be like other bike events I’ve attended (i.e. ones that raise money for cancer – where they do in the DAY TIME, with proper markers, and city involvement, and proper lane markings, and people riding on the RIGHT SIDE, obeying the traffic laws)?
Look at how the “RIDE TO CONQUER CANCER” bike ride that goes from Toronto to Niagara falls over several days with bike riders is accomplished. Now THAT event fosters community support for bike riders. There is no terrorizing, drunken disorderly behavior, profanities, loud screaming and yelling, and traffic accidents with haphazard riding going in all directions occurring in the middle of the night.
This “community event” appears more like lemmings taking an opportunity in the name of “being green” and “fostering good community fellowship” to literally be rude and arrogant and obnoxious.
http://to08.conquercancer.ca/site/PageServer?pagename=to08_news
Ian
August 22, 2010
@eileen we ride at later so as to not adversely affect folks who are trying to get home during rush hour. it’s one of the things that makes us different from critical mass.
I can assure you the intention was not for people to stop and trash the park that is in the middle of north park it was to highlight a part of San Jose that a lot of folks don’t know about. as we roam around the southbay we try to broaden the horizons of all of the folks who have never been to various parts of our community.
We Certainly have problems with lemmings (though i call them sheep
) but we are trying to get better. Historically we have the worst behaved rides in the summers. Not sure why but it may have something to do with idle hands.
Thanks again for your understanding and i Apologize for the lemmings unfortunately they are hard to control.
moo
August 23, 2010
Eileen -
At the risk of digressing from the main point of your note (the disturbance in North Park), I wanted to thank you for the link to the Ride To Conquer Cancer ride. I’m impressed that they were able to get over 2800 riders to participate. Sounds like a wonderful event. Now if only I had the time and means to ride it myself – I’d love to see Niagara Falls by bicycle.
Your last question “Why can’t the event be like other bike events I’ve attended” brings up something that has been bothering me recently. A related question might be, why aren’t there more fundraising bike events locally that are accessible to more people? I participated in my first “bike-a-thon” style event when I was 16, raising a tidy sum of about $70 collected from roughly 40 of my classmates (this was many, many years ago). This summer, I heard about the LiveStrong ride in San Jose, and was excited to participate. However, my enthusiasm quickly faded when I saw the financial requirements of the ride ($50 entry fee, $250 fundraising minimum). I would have been willing to pay the entry fee and make my own donation to the cause, but did not feel comfortable asking friends and family to donate money just so I could enjoy the ride. The result is that I didn’t participate, nor did I donate any money to the cause. Perhaps there are more local events that haven’t been well publicized? (apologies for venting in response to your question – I know this is a little misdirected).
I think the shortest answer to most of your questions comes down to money. San Jose Bike Party attracts a huge crowd because it’s accessible and free. Unfortunately, it also attracts rude and immature riders for the same reasons. I’m not sure what the city’s involvement is, but I would guess that is also limited by lack of money.
I think following traffic laws has more to do with the individual rider than anything else. My impression is that most of the San Jose Bike Party riders stay in the right lane, obey traffic signals, and have proper lighting. At the same time, I have observed riders on charity rides blow through traffic lights on occasion. The difference seems to be the rider demographic. If there were a way to keep the irresponsible and inconsiderate riders from following the San Jose Bike Party route, but still keep it accessible to the casual rider, I bet the ride would be a lot more fun for participants and the community as a whole.
Perlasum
August 23, 2010
@ moo. Kudos to your response, well said.
@ eileen; clearly everyone posting here is in agreeance that the disruptive behavior is unacceptable and SJBP is looking, requesting, and accepting help from the all participants willing. “negative feedback isn’t the problem, but, it is a moot point.”
As a, “volunteer” I am sorry to see bad behavior from some of the riders… however I “personally don’t feel an apology is necessary for participating in bike party, We all have the right to ride…
Many answers to your questions are readily available on the website, perhaps reading through completely will help you understand what bike party is all about.
Stan TheMan
August 23, 2010
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Eileen, do you have a bike? Join us – don’t hate us. Maybe you can help the BikeParty become something better.
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whispersiren
August 22, 2010
A repeated suggestion I’ve read over and over in reflections, ride after ride, is that at the starting point before the ride begins someone needs to announce the “how we ride” rules… etc. Having a PA is something essential that bike party needs to do this!
They range from really cheap to really expensive depending on size & range & portability. For BP we’d want one that has a rechargeable battery, is light enough to be towed on a trailer, and has a range for about 1000 people. With 4700 Facebook fans, isn’t it reasonable to think that the funds could be raised to get one? I’ve donated money before using my cellphone and its added to my cellphone bill.
Does anyone know how set something like this up?
Ian
August 22, 2010
I’ve looked into cellphone donations… unfortunately you have to be a 501.C to use any of the ones I’ve found. and it’s pretty expensive to setup (over 500$)
if you want to donate give to a bird. and they will pass it up.
hopefully we can get some more donation cans out there and start raising money again.
though a cheaper solution might just be for one of the music trailers to wire a mic in for announcements…
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
One option would be to use a low power FM transmitter like this
http://www.electrokits.com/radio/fm-transmitters/171.htm
and at 7:50pm (or so) ask the music trailers to all tune in to whatever station we are broadcasting on.
With the music trailers spread out all over the starting point, all broadcasting the same message, we wouldn’t need one or more high power bullhorns.
With 3000 riders, I have a hunch one of our riders either already owns one of these transmitters or knows someone who does.
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
(PS since San Jose is such a diverse city. The “How we Ride Rules” might be best delivered in multiple languages)
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
What about a Paypal link on the BP website?
Ian
August 22, 2010
care to translate
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
Well PayPal lets you send money to anyone with email. Since Bike Party has an email account then people can send bike party money. There is a small fee per transaction, but i dont think it would be enough to make it prohibitive.
Though passing the can works, having other options may also prove useful. Namely people who dont carry cash or only carry enough for Treatbot
might want to donate…
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
ha ha BP = bike party, not the evil ocean killing BP!
Yeah we’d have to create a link.
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
@whispersiren, I know what you mean. Back in May/June I was riding Critical Mass in SF and the gal on the pink bubble bike had FUBP on the sides of her panniers. I rode up to her and asked her what that was about (didn’t realize it was about British Petroleum, thought it was about Bike Party)
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
What about setting up a Paypal link on the website?
Ian
August 22, 2010
paypal needs a bank account.
whispersiren
August 22, 2010
Yeah someone trustworthy (like you sir ian or me) could become treasurer and either open a free checking account and use it for BP use an existing one.
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
It’s very easy and straight forward to set up a bank account and PayPal for the SJBP, but before that happens, a committee/staff meeting should happen to make sure everyone is on the same page about who will control it (it should require two signatures for withdrawal or account changes) and also who will take on the role of administering disbursements/purchase orders.
At this stage of the game, it really sounds like SJBP needs to incorporate or become an actual 501(C), have regular meetings (not ride meetings) and start getting it’s backend into shape, lol.
Ian
August 24, 2010
Namu,
No offense but you need to do more reasearch into the whole 501(c) thing before you start acting the part of an expert. 501(c)’s were designed to give liability to the board of directors as a way of controlling folks.
a good read on this is http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Will-Not-Funded-Non-Profit/dp/0896087662
Handwaving about how easy something is implies things about the current volunteers that i don’t think you really want to imply. Please come to the Volunteer meeting and step up till then i’m sorry and i don’t want to discourage you but till then you are just posting empty words.
Doc Hawk
August 23, 2010
San Jose Bike Party has become a cultural phenomenon that seems to have taken on a life of its own.
I have the most fun I have ever had in my life when I ride in it. The crazy stuff happening along it only adds to the adventure and adrenaline. If it was really safe and didn’t tick anyone off, it probably wouldn’t be as awesome a spectacle.
Nothing’s perfect, and there’s an awful lot of things that could go wrong that don’t.
Now admit it… it represents an absolute nuisance to anyone this wheeled mob might encounter who simply isn’t into the scene.
While I respect contrary opinions, I make no apologies. Many, many things in life are annoying and unnecessary. Lots of other people are having their fun at your and my expense. I can think of hundreds of alternatives that are much, much worse. Imagine if “Bike Party” meant we were all riding motorcycles… or even what the effects might be from 3,000 Priuses, Insights, and Smart Cars being driven along the routes we take.
Even a gentle rain causes traffic delays and crashes.
I participate in every San Jose Bike Party with the understanding it might be the last one. The authorities might figure out some way to squelch it. It might get taken over by people I can’t like. I might crash and never be able to ride again. If any of this happens, I will miss it dearly.
I bring my family & invite all my friends along… in fact it was my wife who first convinced me to check it out. Yes, there’s always the possibility of catastrophic collisions; profane yelling and screaming; crude, sexist lyrics in the loud music being blasted; litter, drinking, smoking, fireworks, fights, traffic violations, property damage, and other bad examples; but I don’t intend for my kids (ages 11 and 18) to grow up inside a sheltered bubble. I stick with them, and we discuss what we observe.
We are creating memories for the rest of our lives. Some day, this too, will pass; like the love-in’s of the ’60s… Some day we will all romantically reminisce nostalgic about the San Jose Bike Party and tell the stories about the times we shared, both good and bad.
Everyone who rides, you share a special place in my heart; please join me in doing whatever you can to help create what you really want this bike party to be. Thank you to all, especially to those unfortunate individuals that are hating this event… All I can say is that it’s just too bad that the many free benefits I enjoy from the Bike Party can’t be for you, as well.
Perlasum
August 23, 2010
= D
shen
August 23, 2010
WERD! well said, Doc… ;D
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
@Whispersiren: We’re in the USA. English is the language spoken here. If citizens don’t speak or read it, it’s THEIR responsibility to learn it. It’s a condition of citizenship. If they choose not to and/or are here illegally, it’s THEIR responsibility to be with an interpreter.
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
Although I agree with you that if you live in America, you should learn English – there’s actually no law that requires immigrants to learn English and it’s definitely not a condition of citizenship.
Besides, it’s a beautiful, inclusive idea to have the rules translated into different languages and to have them announced in different languages. All that will do is help make SJBP a safer, more fun event to participate in and besides, isn’t this supposed to be a community event? And isn’t our community filled with people from all over the world?
That’s why America is great.
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
OK, lets write EVERYTHING in 8 languages, require ALL police and publicly speaking officials to communicate in those 8 languages, and make ALL announcements in 8 languages (especially in emergency situations!). That sounds efficient!
And there IS a requirement to know SOME English for naturalization, with a very few exceptions since 1990. It’s a “melting pot”, not shish kabob!
moo
August 23, 2010
The USCIS website http://www.uscis.gov indicates that some basic knowledge of English and civics is required to pass the naturalization test. It does not, however, say that English is a requirement for citizenship (for example, if you were born a citizen, but grew up overseas). Besides that, riding in San Jose Bike Party doesn’t require citizenship. There’s nothing wrong with permanent residents, exchange students, or other visitors riding on public streets!
Anyways, this isn’t the right forum for a debate on official language usage. As a practical matter, if someone were to translate the How We Ride rules into other language(s), I think it would make sense to post them.
Billy the Kid
August 23, 2010
Whether people are here legally or not, we don’t want them screwing up relations between cyclists and drivers, or between SJBP and the community at large.
Bikeyid
August 23, 2010
A few Hot August Lights Pictures: http://www.bikeyid.com/?p=470
[mod: great pics and captions - thank you!!]
Billy Cool
August 23, 2010
We as birds are already doing as much as we can to control traffic. I posted up at the 1st St/Plumeria (right) corner so long that I decided to shortcut by continuing on First Street, so I missed the Zanker and North Park issues. But I was being mocked by adolecent riders as I kept yelling “Stay on the right”. I finally got there with enough time to wolf down 1 taco. Didn’t get to enjoy that re-group.
At Home Depot, Nick K, Ed, Lloyd and myself spent a good 15 mins appeasing the pissed off store manager. Who wanted to know why no one called him and who was going to clean up. Sports Basement graciously said they would stay and clean up. DIdn’t get to enjoy that re-group.
On Tasman, one kid yelled at me “SHUT UP”, and I stared him down and said “REALLY, ARE YOU SERIOUS”
Nick K and I posted at the Mervyn’s entrance to push bikers into the lot and not stop on Scott Blvd. A crown of young ones parked right on the street and when I asked them to move over… they moved a couple of inches. One kid kept giggling at me like a hyena, like i was a rent-a-cop trying to wield power.
I was relentless and finally most of them moved. Except one kid whose bike was perpendicular to the curb and said he smirkingly said he couldn’t move because bikes were in the way. The bikes were his 2 friends. I explained that we were volunters trying to provide a good time for everyone. It took me another 2-3 minutes of staring him down and bugging him to finally move. Didn’t get to enjoy that re-group.
I heard 2 more SHUT UPs that night.
The bottom line is that many of us BIRDs forego enjoyment for the good of the ride, so instead of saying BIRDs need to do this or BIRDS need to do that, please volunteer and help make our job easier.
It seems like the past two months, a small percentage of rowdy teenagers ruin our image and ruin the ride for many sane riders who get spooked by the unruly behavier. There are so many, many, great young “sane” riders, that it’s a shame that their peers are so thoughtless.
[mod/tr: one of the best comments of this great talk thread, thank you for this and for your volunteering efforts!]
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
I wonder if there are a few large guys that, if they received a txt message that said, ‘bird needs assistance at Mervyn’s entrance’ would be willing to ride on over and lend assistance. Maybe it doesn’t even need to be a few large guys. I wonder how the giggling hyena would respond if, over the course of a couple of minutes, DOZENS of cyclists rode over and each announced loudly, in a POSITIVE (non threatening) tone, ‘IS THERE A BIRD THAT NEEDS HELP HERE?!?!’ and the bird could just point. How many others nearby that didn’t receive the txt would probably also come over to help form that critical mass of support for the bird when they heard that.
I’m not advocating violence or threats, not at all, that goes against the spirit of BP.
I’m just saying that I think there are LOTS of Bike Partiers that are sick of the jerks and would be more than happy to be put on a distribution list that the birds have so they could quickly come to the assistance of any bird that needed them.
Don’t want to be a bird? But wondering what YOU can do? Maybe helping support birds in need…
Perlasum
August 23, 2010
I kinda like this idea!
MV
August 23, 2010
It was my first time being a bird and it seems like I was not really able to enjoy the ride either because I was too frustrated with the lack of respect… We really need a lot more help… From everyone, not just birds… This ride is everyones ride, not just the Birds…
Ashley
August 23, 2010
Would it help if some Birds teamed/paired up? I’m not a bird (my bike is this old 70s steel frame, I feel like I’d be holding people up during test rides), but I think volunteering would be cool if I had a partner. Strength in numbers… I know it’s wishful thinking considering there aren’t many birds to begin with so they need to be dispersed but perhaps some people would be more effective in pairs.
Anyway I guess the best idea would be to try to make it to some test rides next month if they’re posted on the calendar, and maybe I can partner with someone.
[mod/tr: yes, BIRDs are almost always more effective in groups of 2-3. we try this but often doesn't work cuz of the low numbers and different riding speeds. yes, everyone please go to test rides with the idea of finding new cool people to meet and ride with on the main rides. thank you for volunteering]
Billy Cool
August 23, 2010
Forgive my typo’s above. I usually do a sanity & spell check, but skipped it this time.
Perlasum
August 23, 2010
@ Billy cool, sorry to hear your ride was a bit of a bummer. My first time as a bird and it was quite frustrating too! But, I luv SJBP!! Cant wait for the next ride…
tanner
August 23, 2010
“My first time as a bird and it was quite frustrating too! But, I luv SJBP!! Cant wait for the next ride…” -Perlasum
I think that this is by far my favorite comment here.
Neil
August 23, 2010
I’ve been doing bike party for over a year now… and my suggestions would be:
Limit regroups to two and try to keep them shorter (if that is possible) – so there is less time for people to sit around a get drunk and it limits the amount of time “residents” near the regroup have to endure the noise.
Invite a local bike store to sell needed items at the start and at regroups – lights, tubes, tires, pumps
To help with a sense of community – work with a local charity to accept donations via the website (paypal) and at the start and meetups for each months ride – ask people to support bike party via the charity. that will help build some “good will”.
Have a “street team” clean up at the start and at the regroups remove the trash and recycling. perhaps someone with a truck could hand out garbage bags at those locations.
Perhaps have a “sag truck” to pick up any stranded riders and take them to a safe location – what girl wants to walk her bike home though some sketchy area of town at 1:00am?
Pick roads that are wide for the starts and after the regroups – that way folks are less likely to hog up multiple lanes.
Ask for “Quite Hours” – that after say 10:00 PM have people turn down their music. I like tunes as much as the next person…but do you REALLY need to turn it to 11 (at 12:00 am in a residential zone)?
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
Sounds good Neil, great ideas!
Which parts did you want to head up?
Getting the charity thing organized,
championing the street team,
driving the sag truck,
or all of the above?
Thanks for the great ideas, we look forward to your help with them.
Swirley Girl
August 23, 2010
Anyone know the status of the Lawrence Expy crash victim from Friday night?
Jimmy
August 23, 2010
He’s recovering from a serious head injury. Looks like he’ll be fine in a few months from now. Hopefully, he won’t be running red lights in the future.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Cyclist-Hit-Seriously-Hurt-During-San-Jose-Bike-Party-101222399.html & http://kliv.com/ (Last article)
sam
August 23, 2010
How about doing a day ride instead of a night ride?
I’ve had my fun with bike parties for the past year but the behavior I’ve been seeing out there in the past 2-3 rides I’ve gone have discouraged me from going. I didn’t go this past friday night because I had a hunch that it wouldn’t go so well judging from what happened in July. The Reflections already validated my provisions within the first two paragraphs and I’m glad I didn’t go. So what’s my point being here other than complaining? I support the goals of bike party and letting the community know the fun and health benefits they can have with cycling around town. Unfortunately these summer months means vacations for kids and they can get rather rough with the rules of the road. There used to be bands playing just before the rides, do you guys still have this going on? If so, I’d have the lead person taking care of bike party make a safety announcement on their speaker system before heading out and express the dangers of the unruly cycling behaviors.
Could this tragic accident have been a result of someone patronizing Bike Party events and not following the rules?
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15867257
just a wake up call that cars > bicycle.
Ride on south bay!
sam
August 23, 2010
Another topic to consider is that in the event of a death of a person who was at a Bike party event, will the organizers (people who are managing this website and planning out rides) take responsibility for it? There are no liability waivers that riders have to sign and if there’s a angry enough mother out there who’s kid died, the parents will definitely go after someone.
Which brings me to saying that you guys as the organizers cannot always say “so what you guys going to do to help?” If you have to take into account that if you did not plan this ride, bike party would not happen. And if you want to have crowd control, its your responsibility to make it happen. Don’t forget that most of you are volunteers so its a choice that you’re making to organize this, and should take suggestions more seriously rather than asking the person making the comments do it him or herself.
SJQuakesFan
August 23, 2010
I say good luck to someone who tries to sue San Jose Bike Party. It’d be one reason to not officially become a non-profit. A good lawyer would try to follow the money and if they sue SJBP, they’ll wind up with exactly 0 dollars and they wouldn’t even shut the party down.
why should there be a liability waiver to ride a bike? There are LAWS that take care of that. STOP at red lights and stop signs. Stay as far right as you can. Have headlights and taillights. Wear clothing that makes you visible. Personal responsibility surrenders.
Ian
August 23, 2010
How could someone successfully sue?
the guy who got hit was doing something illegal (running a red light) at what point does anyone assume responsibility for folks who are breaking the law?
sam
August 23, 2010
It’s not a matter of suing and I never mentioned money in my post. It’s a matter of public safety. If and when there are headlines on the news stating: “16 year old died at San Jose Bike Party event.” It’s not not going to look good on the organizers of these events nor the driver of the car. You’d be surprise what a little chirping to city ordinance planners can do san jose bike party.
I’m sure this topic im bringing up sounds like a broken record, but i’m all for the safety of every cyclists out there during these friday night rides. its all good fun and these summer months brings out more people than what “we” can handle.
scott
August 23, 2010
we can still get sued individually, whether it eventually gets thrown out of court or not, we’d still have to defend ourselves in either civil or criminal court, which is insanely costly. the critical mass like view that we couldn’t individually get sued is a utopian joke. don’t fall for it.
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
@Sam,
One of the thoughts I was having is, what if we do the ride a second time? The BP organizers do such an awesome job selecting routes, seems a shame to only use them once. I wonder if a few dozen (or more) riders would be interested in doing the same route on the FIRST Friday of the NEXT month. Start at 8 like usual, don’t expect services at the regroups, it’d probably always remain small enough that the jerks wouldn’t be interested in coming. Or, if people didn’t want to use the route from the previous month, they could vote on a route from a different month. I think one thing that gave me this idea was reading about the Midnight Ridazz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Ridazz#History
especially the second paragraph under ‘History’.
But realistically, I think the more logical solution, something I plan on doing in the next couple of months if I can work it out with the family, is to go on one of the test rides. I think they are usually during the day and don’t have the behavior you are referring to, and, I’ll be doing something to help make the ride better.
[mod/tr: that's what test rides are for! please do NOT try to start rides after the fact; we have enough rides there are usually 2 per month before the actual ride. join those!]
Jahlaen
August 23, 2010
Wow!
I am always amazed, and enjoy the free flow of opinions and reflections after the ride as much as I enjoyed last Friday’s Bike Party.
@ Eileen: SJBike Party, has in the recent past, collaborated with with Second Harvest on Food Drives to help feed families in the broader South Bay community.
It might not have been as grandiose and well publicized as: “RIDE TO CONQUER CANCER”, however; it was well publicized within the SJBP community and much appreciated by the beneficiary organization.
We have the option to revived that broader community activity at anytime in the future.
I think the discussion of fund-raising activities through Paypal and all those ideas are not appropriate for this forum but, should be left for the next monthly Bike Party meeting.
These issues are complicated and require a more robust and thorough presentation and I would urge the proponents to attend to next meeting to review all the pros and cons to truly see the challenges as well as opportunities.
I would suggest yawl come down to the next meeting.
Man; it would be awesome to have a standing room only, to discuss all these great ideas, that could shape the future direction of SJ Bike Party.
[mod: discuss is one thing, but only .00002% of the effort at best, we need people to DO things. if you're willing to DO things, email sjbikeparty gmail com]
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
Hey Mod, I emailed that email address a couple days ago and haven’t heard back.
Ian
August 23, 2010
Are you expecting some sort of an SLA on email communications to a All volunteer Org?
you get what you pay for with any volunteer org. Bike party is no different.
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
Absolutely not, lol. But I do think it’s reasonable to expect a response within a few days – volunteer, or not. Longer than that and people might lose interest in helping out.
And by the way, I got a response today, lol.
SJQuakesFan
August 23, 2010
@sam
Really? An accident on Sunday in Milpitas can be blamed on SJBP? Thats some cowardly BS right there. The August ride was MUCH better than the July ride because more people were attempting to own the ride (for the better). The accident at Lawrence and Reed could not have been prevented by anything other than a police presence physically stopping riders from running red lights. You complain about the negative elements and how their presence “vindicated” your reason for not showing up at SJBP. You completely ignore that you too could help clean up the ride and make sure that its an enjoyable event for everyone involved and chose to quit and play Monday Morning QB. Its a shame that you’re waiting for someone to take charge when you could do the same.
Gotta love RapidRobert’s suggestion, but AFAIC, its misguided and unwelcome. ENGLISH ONLY has no place at SJBP. Flyers should be available in whatever language volunteers choose to bring them in. No one is forcing you to take the Spanish Flyer or the Danish Flyer.
sam
August 23, 2010
“You completely ignore that you too could help clean up the ride and make sure that its an enjoyable event for everyone involved and chose to quit and play Monday Morning QB. Its a shame that you’re waiting for someone to take charge when you could do the same.”
thanks buddy, i did my part before by following the rules and took it further this time by not participating this time around. good luck with your suggestions and i’ll wait and see how much change you can do for the next ride.
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
And anyone is free to make and distribute information in Mandarin or Vietnamese, or Spanish. My objection is to the suggestion that WE should do it. I suppose you are also against English Only in aviation?
[mod/tr: maybe we should add language to helmets as "agree to disagree" topics]
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
Si’.
John
August 23, 2010
Here’s a thought:
Make the ride 20-25 Miles MAX! I know a lot of people who love to leave bike party with an ounce of energy at the end of the night. For as long as ive been riding this thing, it keeps getting longer… This is neither good, nor bad, but it strikes me that we could find a millage balance which leaves people in high spirits and energized.
[mod/tr: this ride was an experiment to nuke the drunks; didn't work out that way]
Mike G
August 23, 2010
My GF and I had the pink music trailer, I will redo it for the next ride and am looking for ideas….Love to put a large sign on the back that says “Stop at Red Lights” and “Stay Right!”, or?
We all need to help guide the ride, help people understand they NEED to Stay right and stop on Red, it’s not an option, it must happen.
I plan to get the group I ride with to help out and yell at people that are not doing the above. Hopefully more people will join in as well.
I feel bad for all the birds that donate their time and energy only to get disrespected by the jerks, that’s such BS. We all need to thank them and watch out for them!
Let’s all help the birds (if you are unable to BE a bird) – be vocal, shout the rules when people are breaking them!!!
sam
August 23, 2010
Like.
Jahlaen
August 23, 2010
Lighten up John.
Come to think of it; I am very happy with the experience of “sacred sleep” after completing the higher mileage Bike Party routes.
I look forward to the higher spirits and energy on Saturday morn.
I don’t like the longer routes… I love ‘em!
I vote for keeping the longer routes.
[mod/tr: if this is johnm, then i'd hold his opinion in high regard as johnm has been an incredible volunteer and thus has special insight. shouldn't his opinion should hold more sway than even regular BIRDs and especially those that don't volunteer at all?]
John
August 23, 2010
Yeah… I know where you are coming from. But, i maintain, No!, i assert that the friends I have would like to feel they are able to hang around for a bit, or go off to hang out elsewhere afterwords. Longer routs leave you less inspired to follow up bike party with comradeship or merriment. I’ve seen the people who do not linger at the finish only because they are too exhausted and hoping to find their cars or make that last train. As nice as a long ride is, it would be cool to mingle with people and express sentiments about the ride.
That is all.
[mod/tr: this was an experiment to keep out the drunks due to the long mileage. it didn't work well enough. john is 100% right in what he is saying]
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
I agree with John. It seems like the reason given for the longer rides has generally been “to keep people from drinking too much”…it’s pretty clear that the longer ride didn’t stop any of the drunk idiots from getting or being drunk on last Friday’s ride. There is plenty of time on longer rides to drink at rest stops or even as you ride, so I’m not really sure how increasing the length of the ride could curtail that kind of behavior.
Having a shorter ride (and not a LOT shorter, just maxed at 20-25 miles like John suggested) has several benefits though. It allows for more out-of-shape riders to participate, people have more energy at the end of the ride to socialize and it’s much more manageable – the routes are easier to scout and implement and the ride itself becomes easier to control.
In the end, if the true purpose of the ride is to encourage a sense of community, widen and improve perceptions of the biking community as a whole and give people something fun to do, then it makes a lot of sense to keep the ride at the 20-25 mile mark.
Just my opinions, as usual, and not meant as a criticism of how the rides are decided now.
Sharlene W
August 23, 2010
My first time riding as a Bird. Pretty much felt like my yelling “keep to the right”, “red light”, “let go of the bus”, fell on deaf ears. Got back many a “FU” in return. I personally didn’t see many other Birds throughout the night.
It seemed like regroups were “fuzzy”. False regroup at park… and subsequent stops not a big enough space to accommodate crowd without overflow onto street. People didn’t seem to wait at regroups like they did on the June ride. (Thanks to Sports Basement for taking on the cleanup responsibility at one regroup–maybe we should always plan to have some after-party volunteers).
“Salmon” swimming upstream came in all ages. Seriously, when is it EVER ok to ride straight into oncoming traffic. There were plenty of adults who could have shown a degree of maturity and set a better example for the younger crowd. It was rather odd seeing a bunch of helmet wearing adults swimming upstream. Come on!
The things that were the most disturbing: 1) Red light runners — troups of them! No lights, no fear, no brains! Not even humbled by a fellow rider on the ground being tended to by paramedics. 2) Blocking traffic — intentionally riding in front of folks trying to get through in 2nd lane. Some even doing tricks and swerving back and forth just to irritate the drivers behind. Include in that–blocking in a bus with the same tactics (while we yelled for them to knock it off). 3) Hanging on to moving vehicles (the aforementioned bus for one, but also any vans or suvs that drove by slow enough for them to catch hold of). All extremely dangerous behavior!
I personally love riding at night with a big group–but the group doesn’t have to be so large that we clog the road. Why do we all need to start at the same time? Why not start groups every 15 minutes starting at 7:00. Another possibility is more rides in the warm months to dilute the numbers.
We need more Birds! At last volunteer meeting it was suggested that we make it easier for someone to get a Bird badge. Come on two rides, come to a volunteer meeting (agree to ride using safe practices and encourage others to do likewise) and get your badge.
I decided for the next ride I will spend some time helping direct traffic at a problematic intersection (especially important back a ways for left turns). I will also come with extra whistles so I can enlist the help of my riding companions in reminding people to keep the left clear and to stop at lights.
[mod/tr: thanks for your great volunteering and summary - and it's plenty easy to volunteer - whether or not you have a BIRD patch! the more the better]
Sharlene W
August 23, 2010
A comment about the parents of the person hit — I personally would not let my children participate in Bike Party without me checking it out first. I went on my first Bike Party ride with a 21 year old “child” who wanted to participate. I went begrudgingly, but I went. I suggest other parents take the same responsibility. It goes back to that old TV commercial from MANY years ago– “It’s 10:00, do you know where your children are?” Hopefully they aren’t at Lawrence and Reed running a red light.
Wilson SS MTB rider
August 23, 2010
First time on SJ Bike Party, am returning. Pros outweigh the cons. Heard lots of great raves about “SJBP” from bike industry guys that are from South Bay. Made my way over from the 925 leaving for SJ at 5:30pm. Great energy and vibe at the City Hall 7:00pm-8:00pm. Finding the crowd move direction was confusing and I was stone cold sober as I was only able to briefly look at the PDF map and read the “rules” the same day before making the commute. Found the slow moving bottlenecks a bit of a bore *yawn*.
It got better after the first “rest stop” in which a vendor mistakingly decided to set up shop in the residential condo area (mistake) when a bird notified us via a small amplified mic that the rest stop was actually across the street after the light. The vendor stops bicyclists and creates a faux rest stop. Heads up Birds!
Saved a couple of kids on their first ride by helping them fix their broken chain. Even called backup and one of my fellow riders had a MULTI-TOOL with a CHAIN TOOL! Sick! Ironically, I was in need of a multi-tool about 1/2 mile earlier and asked maybe 20 riders for one and all I got was “sorry, gotta go”. Big brother with a backpack and proper headlights/taillights had a multi-tool to save me. I had to give back to the SJBP! So for 45 minutes, it was non stop SJBP streaming behind us as we fixed the rusty chain and got the couple of kids back into the ride. We salmon’d our way back into the chase until we saw the impromptu stop at the liquor store. Go figure. We blasted by and kept the salmon stream going until Home Depot.
Home Depot rest stop was a clusterfu*k and the amount of trash (both riders and garbage) was disappointing. The taco trucks were poaching the SJBP as one after streamed into the parking lot. Don’t the permits required for having a taco track demand a trash bin for trash? There were police cruisers and jail trucks on sight and doing a good job at staying out of the way and just observing from afar, using a lot of constraint – thank you.
The hillclimb out of the parking lot was awesome, I love dipping on the kids with the colored rims, blowing by them on my 2.4 knobbies single speeding. The pace was intense and our chase group got larger (30 deep) thanks to our music system, that is, until we saw the medical vehicle lights surrounding the biker that ran the red light and got hit. EVOLUTIONARY NATURAL SELECTION, bi*ch! This ties into the very simple rules, you cant ride unless you understand two things: 1) dont run reds 2) leave nothing behind (that includes your riding buddies and trash). Whew, that was tough, can we try to add one more before another hipster wannabe’s head explodes? 3) try front and rear blinky lights. Not so you can see as the city lights are plenty bright, but so I can see you when I blow by you and your posse of wannabe’s! This ain’t a race but I like to maintain a nice 20mph cadence, thanks!
The 30+ miles logged on my group’s GPS unit was a near perfect night ride, some of the low rider cruisers peeled off earlier, and as the route is clear and published before the event, you can decide yourself to ride half, or all of it. The route was awesome and the distance spectacular. All in all, rode 8pm-2am. Super fun and super sweet, I wanted to keep riding!
See you next month!
[mod/tr: there was NO climb out of the R#2! (it was out the backside of the HD lot. yes, we need to make sure the food vendors go where they’re supposed to (maybe make em sit out a following ride if they don’t listen) and people need to print out a copy and learn the route
Wilson SS MTB rider
August 23, 2010
@mod/tr:
R#2, the hillclimb was the overpass (not a climb, but an out of saddle pump roller is a better description), was that the wrong way? Ironically at the top of the roller, a rider was holding the printed out map! That’s the beautiful thing about the ride, there are multiple routes within the route of the ride, just go towards the majority of blinky lights!
Vendors: make them responsible for all trash in the area they serve, mandatory clean up after sjbp disbands and leaves the area and provide trash bins
[mod/tr: after R#2, NOONE was supposed to take Fair Oaks over the train tracks... the only overpass on Fair Oaks was the Hwy 101 overpass.... and yes ALL vendors should have places to collect trash, but many riders throw their stuff away anyways]
scott
August 23, 2010
bike party gets messed up due to 5 things:
1) drunks
2) people with attitude that don’t listen
3) people who don’t know where they’re going
4) nowhere near enough volunteers
5) people not sharing the road/riding legally
since we are NOWHERE near controlling a SINGLE big problem above,
maybe we should listen to such riders such as bill b (a BIRD) who suggested that we CANCEL bike party for a month… so people will finally “get it” that we have a real BIG problem… to show concretely that “we get it” … that its up to all of the riders to SAVE bike party and TAKE IT BACK from these asshole riders.
let’s be blunt… this is not negative, this is reality… not kool aid drinking – this was brought up by a fellow volunteer at the last meeting and at the previous hub meeting – here are the key problem areas broken out in numbers for the last rides with 3000+ riders.
people act like a rock thrown into a pond:
1) the 1-2% that do anything (that is 30-60 riders) that is flagrantly illegal on purpose just to showboat
2) the 3-5% that think it’s cool and do whatever the 1st group does (90-150 riders), really want to emulate the 1st group
3) the 8-10% that will do whatever others do, cuz they think its cool and they’ve never been so “liberated” and free (240-300 riders)
4) the 20% of the casual riders that is well intentioned but uninformed – and will not take the time to get informed (600 riders)
so you have 1000-1100+ riders that are riding ILLEGALLY and not sharing the road.
so we can’t say that we only have a minor problem. it’s a BIG problem on our hands. let’s be honest. our BIRDs should not have to work every single ride and they sure as hell need to be backed up by the riders en masse. cuz our volunteers are heroes in my book.
you think my math is wrong? not likely! i’ve ridden these rides front, mid and back more than almost every rider (sprinting between em – all in the same ride), have ridden some of these rides backwards to pull in late and lost riders… and i’ve helped bring in many awesome great riders/volunteers for almost two years.
but without changing at least ONE of these fundamentals in EACH of the two categories up above (in both sections), i fear that bill b is indeed correct.
i’m not looking for ideas – there’s more than enough that have already been provided on this great talk thread…. i’m hoping for one of 3 things from respondents
1) if you’re not a BIRD become one asap
2) get others to become BIRDs
or
3) put your name down as in support of canceling bike party for sept 2010
by your response we’ll see if 5-10% of bike party is ready to take back the ride from these assholes or not.
it’s your call. cuz many of us as volunteers are completely fed up with these jerk riders… and not enough people backing us up… only to read these talk threads with nitpicks about the ride… for those that step up THANK YOU.
for those new volunteers that had to withstand this last ride, THANK YOU!
John
August 23, 2010
…that was long. It seems to me these are the same problems peeps have raised for at least a few months.
I get that you (figurative) are tired of it. But this seems like the ship has sailed and the crew needs shore leave.
More than a few newbie BIRDS have commented that they are frustrated, perhaps cause they aren’t sure whats expected on a Friday night or maybe because they rode alone. Maybe people should skip a BIRD month and not wear the Flag, sounds like you earned a breather.
Don’t Hate, P-A-R-T-I-C-I-P-A-T-E !!!!
scott
August 23, 2010
why has the ship sailed? things have only gotten worse since the last time it was brought up (assuming this is johnm we’d both know that).
do i need crew leave? i have never had more clarity about this after stepping in and out a bit. i’d push back and say to think otherwise is drinking the kool-aid a bit much.
to expect BIRDs to work their asses off to the point of not only not having fun but being berated during a ride? wtf? there are only about 30-50 people that put their love, sweat and tears into bike party. why shouldn’t they get backup? and why shouldn’t we double or triple our ranks?
and who is the core audience we’re serving anyway? is it the people that give a damn or the people that don’t? lets get back to our roots a bit here folks.
disagree with me if you like buy when the BIRDs are outgunned by the assholes at least 2:1 or 3:1 and by people who just don’t care by 30:1… “houston, we have a problem”
Rider 44
August 23, 2010
@Scott, I think I understand what you are saying.
Perhaps, instead of an outright cancellation/hiatus for one month, we could use it as a month to train and nurture birds.
(hopefully I won’t get flack for this, but I think it illustrates the point) Check out Mark 6:31-32. (Pardon the religious reference, but it was easier to find than looking for a reference in some management book, and anybody can google to find what the reference says.)
Jesus can tell that the disciples are in need of rest so they go to a secluded place to rest. If you read on you see it didn’t work for them this time, but the concept is there. Time to rest, time to recharge, time to hash things over.
This coming month, don’t worry about coming up with a new route, testing it, etc. The leadership could concentrate on nurturing/training the birds. The ride on September 17th would be for birds only. Pick a route from a previous year, maybe we meet at 7, share a meal together, ride only part of the route together, and use the time to really focus on what the leadership wants to do to manage this problem with the people that want to help most.
I’m probably speaking out of turn because it was only after the July ride that I decided to get more involved and really think about making a difference with the ride. But with more new birds and several birds feeling overwhelmed/disheartened, maybe now is a good time for the leadership and birds to encourage each other and pass on nuggets of wisdom learned over the years. Unfortunately some of us that really do care have difficulty getting to rides other than the main one on the 3rd Friday of the month. Obviously most all of us can make the 3rd Friday ride and typically don’t have to leave early. Giving the leadership and seasoned birds a long opportunity to really train and nurture the new birds and any birds that are feeling burnt out, may help get the ship back on course.
And of course giving everybody elese a month off to think about ‘how we ride’ may help them think about what SJBP means to them and how they will support birds in the future.
Wilson SS MTB rider
August 23, 2010
@scott: You lost me at “cancel SJBP”. Again, the .01% that are douche bag bicyclists are douche bag people. When you get 3000-4000+ people, you’re going to have a larger number of that .01%. Seriously, not judgmental, at all. It’s just the percentage and statistics speaking. Lead by example! Scott, you’re right. Nothing against alcohol but to appease the alcoholics, lets not tease them. Bicycle route can be guided through the cities bypassing huge signs that say “LIQUOR STORE”.
scott
August 23, 2010
@Wilson SS MTB rider —– yes, i do mean strongly considering to CANCEL. why the hell not?
as far as the percentages and those numbers i stand by them, absolutely
the route was directed away from liquor stores. i’m not sure if you’ve been on any test rides or involved in the route process. join us, we might have a test ride on saturday.
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
I think you meant to say 1%, not 0.01%. But 1% of 4000 is 40. I see A HUNDRED salmon go by at a time. I see 30-50 run a single red light. Not stop and jump the green, just blow right through at speed. I’ll see 20-50 engulf a car at an intersection waiting to turn left while the party is going straight (a total asshole move in all situations). No, I think Scott’s numbers are much closer to real.
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
As a new bird, I don’t know if canceling the next ride is good idea or not, I am here either way to support SJBP however I can…
But, I do think getting some training is a great idea! Yes, I am fairly new to bike Party…
After my first ride I was hooked, so I started going to the test rides… and just generally became more involved.
After the deity ride, I was poking my way around the host page and really noticed the need for help, plus I want to do what I can to keep SJBP going… “purely for my own selfish reasons of course” I luv SJBP!!
Billy the Kid
August 24, 2010
We need to do SOMETHING. Ignoring these problems or trivializing them by claiming it’s only 1% is not a solution.
Cancelling it for a month is an idea worthy of discussion. So is having a month where only BIRDs and their guests are invited; or, as Rider 44 suggests, using that monthly time for a BIRD organizing/discussion thing.
If you’re going to oppose the cancelation idea, I think you have an obligation to propose something better. Ignoring the problem is not working.
Last month many of us said there was need to make some changes. No changes were made. Now a douchebag rider is in the hospital, a driver is presumably traumatized, and Bike Party’s image is certainly not improved.
Let’s try some solutions.
[mod/tr: 1% affect was proposed to have shown affect a significant number of riders (made much worse in summer) bill -- some things were done - significant online "how we ride" (etc) education was provided across ALL sjbp media (all facebook pages and the sjbikeparty.org website) for weeks leading up to the ride. Question: was the ride outcome better, same or worse in august than in july? even after the extensive messaging?]
Ian
August 24, 2010
what solutions beyond cancelling are you proposing?
The action that really needs to happen is for people to step up and decide what they are going to do to make bike party sustainable.
I’m doing my part.
But we need YOU!
moo
August 24, 2010
I don’t think we can come up with an accurate statistic on badly behaved riders any more than we can come up with an accurate statistic on the total number of riders. On that subject, it appeared to me that the ridership in August was way up, and I think that was part of the problem. I’m used to seeing large crowds on Bike Party rides, but I was still surprised to see as large a crowd as I did.
You can see that lights were a point of emphasis this month. The theme was based on lights, and there were lights being sold and given away at the start (and maybe at regroups). Hopefully that reduced the number of dark riders, but unfortunately there were still riders without lights.
Billy the Kid
August 24, 2010
@mod: From my perspective, this ride was somewhat better than the two previous months. I attributed this to the CHP and Sunnyvale cops doing some policing, but the extensive messaging may have played a part.
@Ian: other proposed solutions include:
1) Require people to pass a quiz on How We Ride before getting directions.
2) Shift the Party from Fridays at 8 to Saturdays at 5, thereby depriving douchebags of cover of darkness (at least in Summer when the problem is worst)
3) Leak route info to police in advance, see if they’re interested in ticketing people who run red lights, etc.
What *I’m* doing:
1) When Scott said at the BIRD meeting that the biggest obsticle to the quiz was that no one was willing to write the quiz, I wrote quiz questions and others did, too.
2) I continue to lobby the leadership to examine proposed changes and implement those that are most worthwhile; and I enocurage others to do likewise, chiming in with suggestions or rallying behind other people’s suggestions.
3) I stand ready to do my part to implement whatever changes are agreed to. If we shift it to Saturdays at 5, I will BIRD at that time as enthusiastically as ever. If we decide to limit one ride to BIRDs and their guests, I will invite only non-douchebags.
What more can I do?
scott
August 24, 2010
@Billy the Kid – we’re retracing our steps over the conversation at the volunteer mixer and emails and facebook messages…and you’re leaving a lot out and not quite explaining what i said correctly. there was a lot more to it. bottom line we want to change the things we can with “bite size” pieces that volunteers can easily do and forget the rest. i’ll email you a more thorough explanation.
the changing from 8pm fri to 5pm sat? it’s a non-starter, for the many reasons that were given at the volunteer mixer.
Billy the Kid
August 25, 2010
@Scott,
I don’t recall any reasons given at the volunteer mixer other than, “It’s ALWAYS been on Friday night.” While tradition may be a fine reason for holding a lottery to choose a person for stoning, I’m not sure it’s enough reason to keep BP at a time that may be causing these problems.
I appreciate that you prefer the cancellation proposal over the time shift proposal, Scott. I’m more than willing to try it.
And again I urge those who oppose all these proposals to offer some of your own other than just waiting for more riders to volunteer. Yes, more volunteers would be a big help. But we’ve been waiting forever, and so far, wating hasn’t gotten the job done.
If someone has an idea for a new recruiting tactic, please offer it. But let’s not just pass the buck to the riders. Let’s look at what *we* can do. We can cancel a ride. We can shift the time. We can make a quiz. There are plenty of things we can do. Let’s decide which ones are most worthwhile and let’s try them.
scott
August 25, 2010
@billy the kid –
we’re both wanting to “take back” bike party from these jerk riders and we have lots of good company. almost all who are reading. that’s our common thread. thank you all.
in my opinion, the holy grail is attacking our core issues facing us today:
we can recruit a large number of new volunteers IF we have a “can do” attitude but probably only if we do it in a radical new way. but you’re right we’ve never been able to raise a huge amount at a time (after the first few month at least).
that’s where the “repurposing the Sept ride” could come in handy. i think we’re all in the same page for goals, it’s just how we get there…
it’s more like “eve” inviting “adams” of the world to take a bite from the apple. it’s tasty, it’s easy and it’s sooo addicting. we can “market” and “recruit” our way out of this mess that we find ourselves in.
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Hi Scott, I appreciate your five points. Here are my thoughts on them.
1) drunks.
There are quiet drunks and there are obnoxious drunks.
I’m just trying to quantify the problem.
When we see drunks on the highway, what should/do we do?
We call 911 and say where we are. We should all do the same on SJBP.
What would the dispatcher do if several cyclists called and were reporting the ongoing location of a drunk rider? Hopefully they would send an officer to intercept the problem.
It can be done, it’s not like the police can’t make the stop, especially if other riders who care are helping guide the police in.
Think about it, what is the alternative? What could birds or hub people do if they had an obnoxious drunk right in front of them? Execute a citizens arrest? Shame them? All they can do is call the police and get them arrested.
So that’s your option. End of story.
2) people with attitude that don’t listen
These people aren’t going to respond to public shaming, it only encourages them.
Short of getting some big Samoans that can intimidate them into compliance, we don’t have options there.
The mental picture I get of a bunch of jerks getting their ass whupped for being jerks brings a smile to my face.
But I don’t see that happening really, so let’s get back to reality, there’s nothing we can do.
3) people who don’t know where they’re going
Who cares? I mean, really, who cares? The first BP I rode in I was riding with a group that got lost so I decided that on following BPs I’d study the map well enough to not get lost again.
It was my choice. If people don’t want to take the time to study the route, then they get lost. It’s not the end of the world. Life goes on. Everybody gets home eventually.
Maybe next time they’ll study the map better.
Truly, I hope the hub doesn’t waste much time on this one.
They provide us with excellent maps and directions.
4) No where near enough volunteers.
What if, for September, all BP hub did was re-use a map from a previous month, tell us the start location and time, and say we were on our own. No guarantee of vendors at regroups, no birds at key intersections, nothing.
How bad would that be? Sure it’s great that volunteers select a route, pick up trash, schedule vendors at the rest stops, etc. But what if they didn’t?
If people sense a need, people can step up. If people don’t step up, obviously they don’t think there is enough of a need.
I could expound on this but I’ll refrain. Let me know if you want a few examples?
5) people not sharing the road/riding legally
Yes, this is disappointing, but there are natural consequences to this action.
Run a red, get hit or get a ticket.
Ride like a salmon, get hit or get a ticket.
If people are riding in lane 1 and the group of riders don’t want to call out the bad behavior, I guess the group of riders have spoken. What can you do? Get a bunch of big Samoans to intimidate them into compliance?
Sorry, short of intimidation, ticket, bodily injury, I don’t know how this can get solved.
Scott, sorry if I don’t see the seriousness of your core issues, I’m just trying to bring them into perspective.
There was a time in America when, if people had a problem, they were expected to fix it themselves.
Now, we’re expected to just call 911 and let the police handle it. If we don’t, we risk arrest ourselves.
Sure, sometimes when I ride with people that I think are endangering me I think Charles Bronson thoughts,
but what are my options? 500 committed birds won’t stop a group determined to run reds.
scott
August 25, 2010
Rider44 – We can talk during a test ride about how these categories are indeed real issues and can be mitigated (instead of virtually here). We should have a test ride this weekend, probably Sunday. There’s been enough talk; we all can “own” small pieces of bike party. BTW, what is your name? Welcome to Bike Party!
Rider 44
August 26, 2010
Hi Scott,
Thanks!
My name is David. I like the idea of going on a test ride.
Unfortunately, it’s hard for me to commit the time then
as I’m a middle age married father of 3 with
all the responsibilities that includes.
I agree there’s been enough talk. (303 comments, holy cow, is that a new record?)
And I agree that talking during a test ride would be much easier than doing it virtually here.
If you were registered on this site, you could send me a friend request and then we could send messages that way.
However, realistically, if there were a solution to the small percentage of riders with attitudes that don’t listen (just to pick one), don’t you think that, over the course of 303 comments, some could have cracked that nut?
Cmon, what are the options? Disney and Great America can kick them out. CHP can lock them up.
A bar can hire big bouncer guys to intimidate them. A group of five teenage males together just aren’t going to be swayed by public shaming. The group has gotten too large.
There have been lots of studies that have shown how the dynamics of a small town are different from the dynamics of a large town are different from the dynamics of a large city. That’s what we are facing here.
Only, instead of a static city it is a dynamic rolling city.
Are you familiar with the broken window theory? Are you familiar with the bystander effect or diffusion of responsibility? If a degenerate knows they can just ride a little faster to become part of a new batch of riders that don’t know they are a degenerate yet, it’s a lot different than if the riders in back can easily see the riders in front, knows the name of some of them, and can tell them what’s going on.
There’s no cost to the degenerates, they can just keep bouncing around the rolling ‘city’ and never be held accountable. It’s not like on a playground when a bad guy is talking to a kid and all the kids start saying, ‘stranger’ and pointing, to call attention to the bad guy. This situation in this large city called Bike Party either needs to accept the new normal, shrink the size back to a small town, or come up with something that will increase the ‘cost’ to the degenerates such that it is not worth it to them.
Regarding the ‘cost’ of the actions, I encourage you to read Freakonomics or Superfreakonomics.
A great book that discusses why people are motivated to do what they do.
Thanks Scott for your thoughts. We all agree we all want a great Bike Party. But if, after 303 comments
we still aren’t starting to move towards a consensus on how to fix even one of these issues, we need to look at the tools in our tool box and figure out what we really are capable of doing with those tools.
We’re all on the same team!
Thanks,
David
Rider 44
Rider 44
August 26, 2010
People who don’t know where they are going.
I solve that by studying the map, figuring out the addresses along the route, and carrying a GPS. I don’t own an iPhone but I have a hunch many of our riders do. Is there an app for the iPhone where people could download the directions/addresses and the iPhone would lead them from intersection to intersection along the route?
Going on a bike ride with 4000 of your closest friends?
There’s an app for that.
scott
August 26, 2010
David (Rider44) -
There are some things that we can do, even tangentially with most of these issues. With some we can do nothing, but with most we can. There will be some tools like Mingle that a volunteer is developing on this website, but I still think the best way to change the ride is sharing knowledge on the test rides. Over 15 mos it has been a great way to improve operational issues.
Kids are often on these rides, but they may be in burley’s or trail a bikes, etc. Some are on actual bikes. But as these are long rides, these are usually not ready for really young ones to ride. An option is to do just part of the ride. But based on the routing that may/may not be an option.
Someone will post the test ride today I hope. I do not know when it is but am guessing it will be Sunday at some time… we try to mix up the times.
We definitely want new riders… but if you are really new, I’d strongly recommend others here share their “must haves” for getting in shape or things to buy… like a few short 1-3 mile rides a few times/week or buying padded bike shorts to what they like to eat before (and when) before their bike ride. This is a good use of virtual communication too.
We do have a “leave no rider behind” on these test rides, but we want people to keep to their pace. We may just have mini-regroups halfway between the stated regroups. But if really slow, or if you have a flat,etc. we may have the fastest riders go back to you and pull you back to the group after fixing your bike. We strongly recommend everybody bring spare tubes and a set of inexpensive tools. Any of the local bike shops would be happy to help you. Mention sj bike party – some give discounts of 10-20%.
So I’m going to switch gears here and hope that we all have an open mind and eager rested legs and learn together on these test rides how we can improve bike party. Let’s take back bike party together!
Rider 44
August 26, 2010
Hi Scott,
Thanks! I appreciate that.
You say ‘but with most we can’. Cool, where are the ideas then?
I guess I really don’t understand how, after 308 responses by several dozen people keenly interested in fixing these problems, there isn’t the beginning of a narrowing of the focus towards solutions.
Surely that makes sense, doesn’t it?
My daughter (8) and I can fly on our tandem, what distance are we talking and what would you say is the average speed?
Thanks for the biking tips. Fortunately I’m only new to my interest in being a bird, I have been a bike commuter for several decades.
Hopefully the test ride will be announced on sjBikeParty.org and/or birds@lists.sjbikeparty.org as I’m not on facebook.
Thanks again.
Ride safe,
David
[mod/tr: rides are posted on the website and facebook, share/demo ideas on the rides - there is a narrowing - see it on the test rides]
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
I’m with you, for sure. But I’m brand new, and even though I think that I don’t want to wait a couple months for another ride, I think the SJBP is in serious need of re-organizing.
I’m 100% committed to helping out in several ways, and I’ll email you about them, Scott.
scott
August 23, 2010
if you know how much i like to ride, i don’t make the suggestion lightly namu, john,etc. we’ve asked you to become volunteers with us… so we owe it to you to have a chance at success. it sounds like in some ways this ride was worse or much worse than july 2009 and that was a serious low point for bike party.
Wuss912
August 23, 2010
naaw it wasn’t that bad… besides we saw a couple of riders finally get what we warned them was coming to them if they continued to run red lights. the sad truth is that both red light runners who got hit by cars would have been much luckier to have been ticketed by the police if the police had been interested. I guess “douchebag mike” was the lucky one because handcuffs are much better than a stretcher.. (cheaper too)
sparkyJay
August 23, 2010
Well here is another idea (like we have a shortage of ideas). For those of us from out of town, or who for some reason do not commit the time to volunteer to be a bird. How about get in there and simply support the birds. I watched a bird try as hard as a person can to control red light runners at one signal. Groups went through the red any way. Those riders often yelled FU or shut up at this lone bird. If more of us would help the birds out and add to their voices we could make a difference. I plan to do more of this at the September ride. How about you do the same and let’s make a difference!
Wuss912
August 23, 2010
or you could pick up trash at a regroup or help someone else out. if everyone just gave a little back we wouldn’t have the problems we have. Also I have to ask Why are you reluctant to be a bird? it’s not much of a commitment…. it basically boils down to being a decent human being to the rest of us who help with the ride.
b5125125
August 23, 2010
As a part-time bird it can be hard to control the crowd on your own, but when that one person who is not a bird steps up and has your back makes a world of difference and all of a sudden more people follow and to do the same. So if your on the fence about being a bird as least be the person backing them up. All thou I’m not a super decaded bird and haven’t been to any meetings. I do try to give back evrey other month by wearing my patch and regulate the rowdy crowd. Every little bit helps.
[mod: great success story, thank you]
Bart
August 24, 2010
I totally agree that it helps to team up with a Bird and help influence red light runners. Two people stopping at a light sends out double the signal and pretty soon there are 4, 8, and then a whole line of bikes at the stop line. Bird amplifiers. I tried influencing people to stop myself. It is hard when you’re the lone voice. But once a few others stop it really kicks in. Next time I’m going to find a willing Bird and stick with him/her to help hold the line.
Spliffer
August 23, 2010
I support the one month — September — cancellation.
I view this as a wise and necessary decision before we have more cars-bicyclists collisions and — heaven forbid — a fatal accident during Bike Party.
As a witness to last Friday’s incident on Lawrence, we came within a whisker of losing a rider.
Certainly that is always possibility when Bike Party takes to the street.
Let’s heed these two close warning salvos and spend the time and be diligent and strengthen the community so it can thrive and survive into the foreseeable future .
The cancellation could be used constructively to re-tool.
SJBP will have ample time to run BIRD training and recruitment test rides.
We need to add MUCH more PEOPLE POWER to the equation.
That is just my two cents…
Bike Party forever!
Namu Williams
August 23, 2010
I agree, but let’s not call it a cancellation, let’s call it a one month hiatus. Seems silly to do that, but from a public relations perspective, if people get wind of SJBP being “cancelled”, even if it’s only for one month, a lot of people may take that as meaning permanently and the less confusion in the public’s eye, the better.
Rapid Robert
August 23, 2010
The rider who was hit was NOT riding with the SJBP. He happened to be on the public road at the same time as us, but he obviously wasn’t with us because those who ARE with us follow our (and society in general’s) few simple rules of behavior.
To hell with him I say. I hope he learns a lesson. If he doesn’t come back to the party, apologize publicly and become the poster person against red light running, he’ll deserve my opinion.
scott
August 24, 2010
@spliffer –
our focus should be on how we strengthenour values and our mission:
John M
August 23, 2010
It sounds like there is a lot to digest here.
@Scott, we are all thankful for the work you do to support SJBP. My aim in the reflections post is to be neutral, but illicit discussion. Ultimately, it would good to find a way to energize volunteers, not make ultimatums about option 1, option 2, or cancellation. I feel that one of the aims of Bike Party is to be sustainable.
For that matter, anyone who helps out even in a small way, makes SJBP better.
1, 2, 3, 4…I declare a thumb war.
scott
August 23, 2010
sustainable? that’s all what my idea is about and we’re on the same page. if it means it is a volunteer only ride, so be it. but we need something to “shock” people into waking up and collectively taking ownership.
we’re not scaling our volunteers correctly and the jerk factor far outpaces the BIRDs by 2:1 or 3:1 …. AND whereas we had people backing us up in Sept/Oct/Nov 2009 etc, that is NOT happening now by most bike party riders. so this doesn’t appear sustainable.
i know watani and nick will say it will get better after summer, it always does… but things are somewhat different now. the scale is different and the weather can be nice for a while longer. so to ignore new realities is what i call “drinking the kool aid.” it wasn’t meant as an insult, but something to watch out for at startups and here at bike party.
this was a way to illicit a broader discussion than the hub. especially since the hub was not ready for canceling for august (or any month, ever?). i do not have the say whether we keep a ride or not. but there is more justification for it, now than ever.
Nat
August 23, 2010
How many riders were there?
Ian
August 23, 2010
our only trained counter was out on his honeymoon so we don’t have an official count. but I’d guesstimate 4k…
but then again i lose count after i run out of fingers at 16….
shen
August 23, 2010
I once again had an awesome time. I do agree that there were some unnecessary turns here and there, but it was a good ride. I didn’t make it all the way through, a friend had bike problems, and with the whole “leave no one behind” we called it a night, and took VTA back to downtown, got back to Santa Clara street just in time to see the ride winding down and hearing people yell out “bye bye bike party” as people began to disperse.
The group surrounding me while we rode was pretty well behaved.
We had some strange groups like the belligerent drunks, or that one group of kids that thought it was funny they were crashing into each other =/ that came and went but pretty much I had a great group around me and thank goodness didn’t see too much of the negative things I’ve been reading.
However, I do want to say that I did witness a few crashes due to people weaving in between riders, and had a couple close calls as well.
But what tops the night is riding the VTA and squeezing onto the last train with all our bikes, and running across a group of barely legal kiddos that were drunk off their asses.
This one girl was so drunk and apparently bit the cement real bad, her knees were messed up and bleeding, as well as several lacerations to her face and neck. What was really strange is that she didn’t even have a bike anymore. She was so drunk she lost her bike too?!!?
Somewhere along the route the police had also stopped them, because her friend had been written up with several citations… failing to yield to an emergency vehicle, failure to stop at a red light, failure to have front and back lights… but NO DUI? Yes, I get that those citations are already going to be costly, but no dui?
I can only hope that they have learned their lesson, and will rethink before doing something stupid again, or even better not come anymore.
Honestly, they should have gotten DUIs too. Take their bikes and donate them to charity. meh!
The night ended with the drunk chick puking all over the lightrail floor.
Adventures on a Bike Party night. I’m sure there’s videos somewhere on youtube. Ride safe people.. so that we can live to see another day. sheesh.
Oh, and I’d like to point out that I was very verbal this time “CAR! keep to the right!” “red light party!” shouting out the next turn… etc.
I had a great time, and I hope that Bike Party continues…
As bike party said: ” maybe next time they’ll learn to ride safer. School will be in session next month, so, let’s cross our fingers.” My fingers are crossed.
Ian
August 23, 2010
man i am so sick of the Drunk driver laws not being enforced. there is no way that that type of behavior should be ok or allowed. they should lose their license for a year as the law mandates (underage drinking and operating a vehicle)
Rider 44
August 24, 2010
I think we aren’t getting the whole story. If the cop is taking the time and effort to write up, “failing to yield to an emergency vehicle, failure to stop at a red light, failure to have front and back lights”, and the girls are that drunk, I find it hard to believe that the cops are going to ignore either a drunk in public or whatever riding while intoxicated would be.
Rider 44
August 25, 2010
Here it is
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21200_5.htm
Riding Bicycle Under Influence of Alcohol or Drugs
and if the fine isn’t enough, the last sentence says…
‘Violations of this section are subject to Section 13202.5. ‘ and if you go there
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d06/vc13202_5.htm
you see you lose/delay your license for a year.
OUCH!
I know it’s here
http://www.sjbikeparty.org/law-for-bikes
But for people that want it strait from the source, there’s the DMV web site.
watani
August 24, 2010
state law doesn’t require a license to drive/operate a bicycle. bicycles are vehicles but you can’t drive a bicycle. there’s no motor on it – that’s probably why the officer didn’t issue a DUI. if she was issued that, i’m pretty sure a decent lawyer could beat that charge in court any day. perhaps the officer was considering the latter. perhaps not, who knows. i’m sure there’s a public intoxication law she violated but, failing to yield to an emergency vehicle is a major fine.
scott
August 24, 2010
watani, ian — i think we’d all agree that if people only had a little bit to drink and weren’t completes asses, idiots or just plain dangerous, we wouldn’t be having most of our issues at bike party. but so many don’t know when to say when.
so i’ve heard wonder if SJPD would ever enact a DUI checkpoint (it’d be CUI for bikes). it’d be a good money maker for the cash strapped city and a good deterrent.
here’s the info/web article:
In a California driving under the influence (DUI), or driving while intoxicated (DWI) case, the prosecutor must prove that the motorist was driving a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Bicycles aren’t considered vehicles in California, and therefore are not covered by the usual laws governing drunk driving, but the California Vehicle Code has a separate provision, Riding Bicycle Under Influence of Alcohol or Drugs, that states:
“Notwithstanding Section 21200, it is unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle upon a highway while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage or any drug, or under the combined influence of an alcoholic beverage and any drug. Any person arrested for a violation of this section may request to have a chemical test made of the person’s blood, breath, or urine for the purpose of determining the alcoholic or drug content of that person’s blood pursuant to Section 23612, and, if so requested, the arresting officer shall have the test performed. Violations of this section are subject to Section 13202.5.”
California cyclists suspected of CUI may be asked to complete a field sobriety test such as the walk and turn test.
shen_nanigans
August 24, 2010
Hopefully I won’t be attacked for this, if it hasn’t been suggested already but do you think that maybe the route should be cut down to a shorter ride? The ladies ride was pretty manageable and safe. There were birds at every corner to help navigate the route, and negotiate with traffic. I’m still considered a newbie so I’m just figuring out what can be done. I absolutely love Bike Party, but not the whole possibility of dying because of reckless bikers part.
Rider 44
August 24, 2010
Dear Shen_nanigans,
How dare you?! (Just kiding)
Perhaps there is a way we can work this out.
This August ride was the first month my wife joined me on Bike Party and we had to get back home in time to relieve the sitter. I knew that would happen so, at various spots along the route, I figured the best way to get back to the car. Right around mile 13 we ran out of evening so we headed back to our car from there. It was nice because we parked near SCU and ended up having a relaxing post-ride beverage at Mission City Coffee Roasting Company before we had to become parents again.
I know some people lead ‘feeder rides’ to get to the starting location. I’d be willing to lead a ‘sleeper ride’ to get those of us who, for whatever reason, can’t finish the whole route and need to get back to a location near the start. Obviously there are a few logistical issues different from a feeder ride, but I think I know how to resolve most of them.
Next month after the route is posted I’ll figure out where might be a good spot to head back from, where a good spot to park would be, and post a comment with details.
Oh yeah, Welcome to Bike Party!
Perlasum
August 24, 2010
@ Rider 44, NICE!
Laserguy
August 26, 2010
I enjoyed that lightrail ride as much as you. I could have done without the free entertainment though. I am saddened by the fact that the few idiots are ruining a great thing for those of us who are trying to enjoy a peaceful and fun time.
boofie
August 28, 2010
This was our first bike party. We had a good time but we dubbed it the drinking and pot smoking club with a bicycle problem. The REAL problem was the crazy riding. I would be OK if the young riders had respect for our space. Older people do not have the reaction or if they fall can not bounce back.
We will ride again but want to know where to ride that will be the safest place to be….Bring the noise, thirst quencher, etc…our fat asses need space to fell safe.
[mod/tr: stay toward the front is one option, not way at the front. also - look for a music trailer - either Rollin Thunder (he has a yellow siren) or Bumpin Beaners... they usually have a good crowd around them. thanks for staying sober!]
Wilson SS MTB rider
August 23, 2010
Would be bummed to hear of a “hiatus” just like my friends experience with my own hiatus from alcohol and herbs but I wouldn’t miss SJBP if it were to go on leave. There are plenty of rides in every city (Critical Mass, East Bay Bike Party, Wheels of Steel 92510) more central and refined than San Jose Bie Party. If you don’t like the negatives, then ride with your own crew at your own will, choice and locale. No biggie. I hold faith in that the few will not ruin it for the many. In the end, it is just a bike ride!
[mod/tr: scott's posting was a continuation of a debate topic at the last hub meeting and volunteer mixer/meeting. it is up to the hub to decide this - he's just forwarding the comments and the empirical data he's seen.
fyi, the hub is the core group of uber dedicated riders that focus on coordinating and doing a ton of stuff. there are others on comm & route teams. looking for others to help with music, lights, etc. there are many unofficial dedicated folks that help on the test rides, and other areas, including a new graphics guy Paul attempting to fill Ben's big shoes!]